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  • #16
    Bones, Good answer, were you a politician in your previous life?

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    • #17
      "They will claim that since 2003 took so long into 2004, 2004 will be skipped and move on to 2005."

      This is news to me. Actually they are in the process of passing the legislation to take the funding to $900 mil.

      The Fire Act Grant process is a model for effiency and fairness - peer review. Something that no other federal grant process has and Congress is taking notice. There is talk of integrating a similar process in other grant programs if they could figure out how. Only the cops are as organized as the fire service when it comes to handling our own.

      As for the $92K brush rig - you are right when you say it is for the basics. If you keep your requests in teh real world, you will find yourself on the winning edge. The first year - with only $90 mil. to go around, figuring out the process, etc. almost no one got a grant. Last year, at $350 mil - if you submitted a realistic grant request, you had a 1 in 4 chance in getting the money. This year - 1 in 2, If you submitted a realistic request.

      You also have to play the odds game - If you want the money without a lot of competition, apply for fire prevention (90+% chance of approval). IF you want the vehicles - you are looking at a 2% chance of getting it.

      You also do not say the age of your other vehicles - if you have anything newer than 25 years - you have a lessor chance.

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      • #18
        Sure there are going to be some awards that make you scratch your head - but understand how the money is being allocated.

        54% to those areas less than 50K population. Inside of that the money is devided in to those 5 or 6 areas you can apply for and the % of money each area is allocated. I know I threw a fit when I found out what some of the cities got last year. But I now have a better understnding for the awards - I may not agree, but I understand. They still have to meet the match (over 50K pop.)

        My Board has wanted me to apply for a vehicle - but I might as well not do an application, since we have units newer than 25 years.

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        • #19
          The National Fire Plan is managed by the Federal Land Management Agaencies (USFS, BIA, BLM, USF&W) for wildland fire hazard reduction and mitigation, mainly fuels reduction and mitigation and wildland urban interface fire prevention education. It mainly goes to the west and south, since that is where the fires are.

          The RFA/VFA Grant moey the states dole out comes from the NFP.

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          • #20
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            Our dept applied for a brush truck in 2002 (denied of course).Cost of rig was $ 92,000.00 total. Our share being $ 9,200.00. We applied again this year 2003, for the same identical rig Cost of truck jumped up one year later to $106,000.00. Our share now being $10,600.00. The cost of the rig went up roughly 15%. If I have to wait untill June of 2004, and should the price jump again 15%, our share now will be the $ 10,600.00 plus the price increase of $15,900.00 totaling roughly $ 26,500.00
            Not trying to pick on this person, but this is why you should budget in your grant app for price increases. We learned the hard way last year and are now having to come up with a little extra of our own dollars for a few items. This years app included anywhere from 5%-15% added to the bid price for price increases. If the price goes up and you need it, great...if the price does not go up (or actually goes down as was the case with one of the items in our 2002 award), you have a little extra to purchase something else you might have wanted/needed but did not want to appear too greedy.

            It would be nice if FEMA could get the dear john letters out sooner, but I have patience and can wait and also feel the same of most others...no news is good news!

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            • #21
              So CRRFIRE, how do you propose they start taking applications for them before the previous ones are done? Do we or do we not apply for the same needed items? If our 2003 grant is approved, can we change our 2004 after submitting it?
              "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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              • #22
                SWFD94

                I think you missed my point. We did compensate for the price increase in our 2003 application. But should we or someone else in the vehicle catagory be awarded a grant and it is after January 2004, the increases have hit buy no control of ours. You cant sit and speculate when you will be awarded your grant should be selected. Most everyone I beleive would assume they will be awarded by the end of the application year as in the past two years.
                That is the point I am trying to drive home. Again, we are dealing with the feds. Nothing is consistent with them.


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                • #23
                  Again, we are dealing with the feds. Nothing is consistent with them
                  Well, I will agree with that 100,000%!!!

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