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    Looking for information on whole station generator via AFG. I cannot find it listed under equipment or station modifications. Is it allowed and if so, what priority does it fall under? Thanks for any help!

  • #2
    Medium priority under station modifications. You will not get it funded on AFG. Try State Homeland Security Grant Program for your state.
    Kurt Bradley
    Fire/EMS/EMA Grant Consultant
    " Never Trade Skill for Luck"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ktb9780 View Post
      Medium priority under station modifications. You will not get it funded on AFG. Try State Homeland Security Grant Program for your state.
      Kurt, I was just passed that info on the Homeland Grant. How successful is that?

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      • #4
        They will fund it if the need is there, especially if your station is designated an emergency shelter or warming station and if you get the project vetted by local and State EMA office.
        Kurt Bradley
        Fire/EMS/EMA Grant Consultant
        " Never Trade Skill for Luck"

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        • #5
          SHGP is the political football of the grants, they aren't open applications unless you work your way up your county food chain. The State Administrative Agency just has to verify that the project meets DHS and AEL guidelines, otherwise the decisions on who gets the money happens below that level. UASI is the same way in the urban areas, not real application process since the ones who have already been deemed the recipients of the funding are the only ones allowed to submit apps. Some programs are opening up since past years' money has handled the communications infrastructure and other projects that needed completion for major regional improvements, and they're moving on to some open processes but it's still handled at the county or multi-county level.

          In other words, before you get all wound up over it, found out how it works in your area otherwise you'll be doing a lot of paperwork that's just going into the round file upon receipt.

          Other option in rural areas is USDA, and a lot of people have been picking up federal surplus. They're mostly diesel gensets but I've seen a lot come across the TX FEPP system for sale with at best a few hundred hours on them and anywhere from 20kW up through 200kW and some even trailer mounted. I know a lot of folks want natural gas or propane, but when some of these can be had for just a few grand versus buying a whole new one at $50k or more, something beats nothing. Check around your own states also, TX just has such a large military presence that most of what the surplus system has is military. Some DOT and other sources, but mostly military. They had a couple of ARFF trucks on last week's email.

          Since they're for sale it's open to anyone that wants to come get it, not just TX agencies. And not just agencies, since the stuff is for sale any private citizen can stop on down and pick up some stuff. Almost tempted to make a road trip myself for some of the power tools they had, large capacity bandsaws for woodworking, and other fun things.
          Brian P. Vickers
          CEO - Vickers Consulting Services, Inc
          FH.com/Firehouse Mag Contributor
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          • #6
            Originally posted by BC79er View Post

            Other option in rural areas is USDA, and a lot of people have been picking up federal surplus. They're mostly diesel gensets but I've seen a lot come across the TX FEPP system for sale with at best a few hundred hours on them and anywhere from 20kW up through 200kW and some even trailer mounted. I know a lot of folks want natural gas or propane, but when some of these can be had for just a few grand versus buying a whole new one at $50k or more, something beats nothing. Check around your own states also, TX just has such a large military presence that most of what the surplus system has is military. Some DOT and other sources, but mostly military. They had a couple of ARFF trucks on last week's email.

            I'll second the government freebie suggestion. We're able to acquire federal excess through the IL DNR and we've done amazingly well with it, probably received close to $75K of stuff by now. You have to be willing to work for it, to scan the sites you can get things through, and do the work to go get it, but it is worth it.

            A lot of stuff that we've received isn't absolutely mission critical, but it enables us to do our jobs better. I've received snow blowers for all three stations, an inflatable "ice skiff" and outboard motor, absolutely beautiful rolling chairs and desks for one of our classrooms, overhead projectors, office furniture for our admin offices, a motorized projector screen, new in the box dryers, used by very nice refrigerators for the stations, etc. If you can justify it for firefighting use, from the standpoint it will be used in your facilities reasonably, you can get some great stuff.

            I've seen LPG gensets on some of the lists, you just have to look and be patient and you'll find them. And we willing to drive a few hundred miles or more depending on how bad you want the item you're looking for. The LPG stuff can usually be very easily converted to natural gas.

            Check out this site for more info: https://www.fs.fed.us/fire/partners/fepp/
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            • #7
              That still running through the State Forestry to make the requests? That's usually the hang-up people have is that they can't get their local Forestry folks to sit down long enough to get the paperwork done to make the request.

              I heard that they might be streamlining that but since it's a state by state thing I wasn't sure if anyone had changed. Also that's when the items are at the donation level still, the one I posted about is when no one requests it through the donation system so it goes up for general sale including the public. This is where people buy the LMTVs and Hummers off surplus.
              Brian P. Vickers
              CEO - Vickers Consulting Services, Inc
              FH.com/Firehouse Mag Contributor
              www.helpmewithgrants.com
              www.facebook.com/vcsinc

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BC79er View Post
                That still running through the State Forestry to make the requests? That's usually the hang-up people have is that they can't get their local Forestry folks to sit down long enough to get the paperwork done to make the request.

                I heard that they might be streamlining that but since it's a state by state thing I wasn't sure if anyone had changed. Also that's when the items are at the donation level still, the one I posted about is when no one requests it through the donation system so it goes up for general sale including the public. This is where people buy the LMTVs and Hummers off surplus.
                Our contact here in IL is amazing, and we're blessed to have him. He's usually on top of our requests same day. He's through our state DNR.

                There's two channels to get things through, essentially military and GSA. I see a lot of the military stuff end up on GSA after it's gone through the time period it needs to be on their system. Then everything on GSA, if not taken, appears to end up on the GSA auction site where anyone can bid on them.

                For example, there's a Kohler 75kW LP fired genset on GSA (not the auction site) with 132 hours on it. It's the style that isn't in an exterior enclosure, but the right folks could probably build something to protect it. And it is already spoken for or "requested" before someone gets all in a rush to try to get it.

                "Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality." - Stolen from Chase Sargent's Buddy to Boss program

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                • #9
                  DNR/Forestry, same difference. Tree people. Good to know IL is on top of it, bunch of other states you can't hold a gun to someone's head and get them to put the request in even if you do all the paperwork for them. Lots of viable stuff on these sites, something always beats nothing especially if it can be had for no money and some elbow grease.
                  Brian P. Vickers
                  CEO - Vickers Consulting Services, Inc
                  FH.com/Firehouse Mag Contributor
                  www.helpmewithgrants.com
                  www.facebook.com/vcsinc

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                  • #10
                    The FEPP and FFP programs run through your state forester/DNR/Tree people. (Some states like TX those Tree people do so many other things) Some states are much more invested in them than others. In Missouri you can request just about anything, and they have a "store" where you grab a shopping cart and wander the aisles, finding things like new gloves, boots, cold weather gear, 5 gallon bucks of motor oil, lights, replacement parts for military vehicles, medical supplies and equipment, ammo boxes, hardig boxes (How I carry my radio cache, 10 large hardig boxes) refrigerators, and much more. Just toss it in your cart, or tag it, and it is issued to your department. Keep that stuff for one year, then you can dispose of it. Vehicles, for the most part, keep for 4 years and you get the title. We have even gotten some towers and tower shelters for our counties new 911 radio system, and high angle rescue training.

                    Each State normally has an outlet for federal and state items, offered to agencies first, then to the public. (Not sure about TX)

                    GSA has items for "donation" which are normally done through the state surplus agencies - or offered for sale. An agency can expect first dibs over public sale or auction, BUT, there is normally a handling fee attached to these items by the state.

                    Naturally, Law enforcement has a totally separate system they can use, through the DEA. You have probably heard of it, many agencies are not using it anymore, and the items received are limited now. I know of one police agency that got a 5k tanker, publishing equipment, fully loaded patrol cars, (with VHF radios) and much more. They gave a former Asst Chief the job of just milkin... I mean using that system. it was his full-time job.

                    Another deep southern LE agency got a snowmobile.

                    LMTV and Hummers are normally sold to the public through www.Govplanet.com They have a contract for almost all government vehicle sales to the public from the military.

                    Hummers are available to your local department through the FEPP program - they must at this point be returned when no longer needed, as the FEPP program requires your state contact to return them to the military for disposal. FFP is the program where you keep it after 4 years.

                    Normally the military vehicles listed on the GSA Auction site are ones that have been issued out by the FEPP program and then returned. (Except hummers) https://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/ This is open to the public, but some great deals are found from time to time.

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