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    My city and county are in the final stages of installing a new radio system, it is a 700 mhz P25 Phase II system.
    They did purchase us new radios for the amount of firefighters we have and put radios in the apparatus and the stations.
    But they did not replace any of the radios in our POVs and in the future we will have to purchase our own radios for new dept. members.
    I just found out that the hand held radios will cost $4200.00 each and that with a discount offered under the contact to install the system.
    My question is are there any grants that will help us purchase additional radios.
    Our projected income for next this fiscal year will be around $45000.00 to $55,000.00. This is not a confirmed number we just went to a new funding procedure county wide so we are not sure of the amount of funding.
    Thanks

  • #2
    1. There are other alternatives to Motorola, unless your county and city leaders have screwed you and are only allowing Motorola. Cheaper alternatives.
    2. POV radios are not allowed except one for the Chief of the department. Handhelds are limited to one per riding position, but it sounds like you already got that, for the AFG grants.
    3. Not knowing where you are, but you should either have a RHSOC or UASI that you could ask for funding on their funnel down from with federal money. They are not bound by the limits that the AFG is. Do all your people need to transmit? There are some P25 PII pagers available that can monitor.


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    • #3
      Thanks for you're reply.
      We are located in Henderson County, KY.
      I will check on the funding sources you mentioned.
      We were told we were not limited to Motorola and we will be checking on these.
      We like for all our people to have two way communications ability, the main reason if firefighter safety.

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      • #4
        Unfortunately, you may be out of luck unless something changes for FY17:

        Originally posted by AFG 2016 NOFO
        Ineligible Fire Department, Nonaffiliated EMS, Regional, and State Fire Training Academy Equipment Activities include but are not limited to:

        ...any new communications projects or expanding existing communications projects that operate on 700 MHz per FEMA Information Bulletin #386

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        • #5
          Very soon you will be able to cut that price in half. If I can help, PM me

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SLY4420 View Post
            Unfortunately, you may be out of luck unless something changes for FY17:
            I believe they are just asking for more mobiles and portables, but the numbers will hurt them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post

              I believe they are just asking for more mobiles and portables, but the numbers will hurt them.
              Yes, but 700MHz equipment isn't eligible.

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              • #8
                It just gets better and better.
                They will not pay for a advanced communications system that's APCO 25 compliant, but they are pushing everyone to switch over to APCO 25.
                Am I right on that thought? Or has their been a change that I don't know about?
                And is this something the consultant should have known about?

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                • #9
                  https://www.fema.gov/media-library-d...238/ib_386.pdf

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                  • #10

                    Thank You SLY4420.

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                    • #11
                      This new radio system has proven to be very expensive to implement and it appears its going to very expensive for the county depts to in the future.
                      The purchase of additional radios appears to be a capital expense that we will have to deal with. That's a hard pill to choke down.
                      We will have to look at other manufactures other than Motorola, just one APX radio is right at 10 percent of our projected income for the next fiscal year.
                      And after the 35 % discount option expires ------you see were this is going.

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                      • #12
                        Since i am no way a communications Guru, is Narrow Band VHF radios 700 MHz?

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                        • #13
                          No, narrowband can be any band - 700 is just a band

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SLY4420 View Post

                            Yes, but 700MHz equipment isn't eligible.
                            700Mhz BROAD BAND is not available, per 386. That is the data/internet capable type equipment that Firstnet will use. 700 Mhz LMR radios, your standard PTT radio that everyone is familiar with IS ALLOWED.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bfd102 View Post
                              This new radio system has proven to be very expensive to implement and it appears its going to very expensive for the county depts to in the future.
                              The purchase of additional radios appears to be a capital expense that we will have to deal with. That's a hard pill to choke down.
                              We will have to look at other manufactures other than Motorola, just one APX radio is right at 10 percent of our projected income for the next fiscal year.
                              And after the 35 % discount option expires ------you see were this is going.
                              Portables and mobiles are available on the grant, Phase 2 radios are just fine.

                              The restriction is for broadband gear, which is not what you are wanting.

                              Your standard restrictions, 1 per riding position, one for POV of Chief is still your standard.
                              You could always us the P25 pagers, with the firefighters getting radios out of the engines upon their arrival on the scene. Or you could maintain your old VHF radios for onscene, even tying them into a talkgroup on the new system via a bridge.

                              Last edited by LVFD301; 06-30-2017, 12:58 PM.

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