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  • #16
    Originally posted by mcmechenvfd View Post
    we had a 4 door cab / 6 man cab

    i know we can not have a lean on the grant truck but we were thinking of using something else. the custom truck actually fits on our streets better than a commercial style apparatus.
    Be prepared ot discuss what changed allowng the borrowing power. If you can satisfy that, I see no problem.
    Kurt Bradley
    Fire/EMS/EMA Grant Consultant
    " Never Trade Skill for Luck"

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    • #17
      Actually AFG doesn't care about how the local match is paid, and if they ever get technical enough to check then they'll say that a grant funded item can't be used as collateral in a loan, which is where some station grant folks are having problems. Otherwise it's been done for a long time in AFG because some can't cash match even a few thousand bucks. Sometimes the local bank or even the vendor will float a non-collateral loan where nothing is under lien. After all they're getting 90-95% of the project in cash from the feds, so not like it's a huge amount left over.
      Brian P. Vickers
      CEO - Vickers Consulting Services, Inc
      FH.com/Firehouse Mag Contributor
      www.helpmewithgrants.com
      www.facebook.com/vcsinc

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      • #18
        The cost difference in a commercial chassis, 4 door 6 seat to a custom will be at a minimum 40-50 k more. If you can afford it it makes sense. But why did you not ask for that in your original grant app if thats what you needed ? Now that you have an award you decide that it would be nice to have a much more expensive custom chassis water hauler. Needs versus wants is the question.

        Now as a grant reviewer the question would come to my mind that maybe you would not have gotten funded at the higher price of asking for a custom , so you chose to go with the lower cost commercial chassis option in your application to improve the cost benefit ratio. If you have the ability to add that much additional funding as an over match , then maybe the " need really wasn't there" for federal funding.

        No saying you don't need a new tanker at all , but these are thoughts that will come up when the grants specialist reviews your request.
        Another question would be ,Do you really need a 6 seat water supply apparttus?
        They are not supposed to be lumbering oversized crew haulers, but a means of moving water efficiently over distances.

        Just my thoughts on the question.

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        • #19
          Overall commercials serve their purpose, but most customs last longer due to being beefier overall so they are worth the extra cost in most cases.

          Knowing John's area, minimal staffing, need to bring as many as possible to the call at one time, need more seats. 4dr on all rural apparatus is my normal recommendation. And you're right, wouldn't have been funded going after a custom for cost reasons, right in the PG on that subject.

          And as we've talked about, overmatching can help. We have someone that picked up a rescue pumper award a couple of weeks ago matching about 50% on the nearly $500k project. I'm not one to recommend that way of doing things in apps, more go after the minimum and upgrade once the award is funded, but it's a tomatoe/tomahto thing.
          Brian P. Vickers
          CEO - Vickers Consulting Services, Inc
          FH.com/Firehouse Mag Contributor
          www.helpmewithgrants.com
          www.facebook.com/vcsinc

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