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  • #16
    Another Thought.....

    Did anybody else catch that during the Gulf Coast Oil Spill the Admiral from the Coast Guard was identifying himself as the "IC" on T.V. He even said that "Task Forces" were being assembled to help handle the surface level oil.

    I caught it and told my wife..... She kinda giggled and said "well I guess you can teach an ole dog a new trick....." She's so witty.....
    "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

    Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

    Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mikeyboy View Post
      Working in Southern California, ICS now adopted nationally, changed and renamed NIMS has always been the way that has always worked.

      Working for the Army and seeing how initially they "just did not get it" that just because of rank you're not always the boss, it's about who has the specialty training/equipment to handle the incident that should be the IC. Now that NIMS has been required, it's taken care of that aspect and now they understand how it works. Pretty hard for Colonels and Generals to take "no, Sir you can't go in there" from a Civilian even harder for them to swallow that just because they're the "Heavy Brass" doesn't make them in-charge.

      I recently attended a Table Top MasCal Training Exercise and was amazed that all the Directors (both Civilian and Military) have been required to take NIMS 700 and 800. It made the Training run so much smoother and our Colonel (he's been on Post for about 2 months or so) realize how well our agencies can work together. Now, I'm not gonna say we're perfect but I have seen a HUGE improvement with how NIMS and ICS has ironed-out a lot of our wrinkles.

      As far as getting rid of NIMS, my opinion is that we need to keep it. The USFS, BLM, Coast Guard, FDs, DOD and even Law Enforcement has been using it; and it works. In areas that don't have Hi-Rises then don't implement positions like "Lobby Control" and such, but if you have a District that you run into even 4th or 5th Alarm then know what the job does. Nothing wrong with keeping the NIMS Field Guide or a Field Operations Guide in your turnouts and reviewing your responsibilities while enroute to the Call.

      Well, reckon I'll get off my soapbox. I've been introduced to the ICS since I was a Paid-Call FF and I've seen it work on every call that it was implemented on. I have seen good calls go really bad due to a lack of "Command and Control" because a Command System was not implemented.
      Mikeyboy you did good posting a reply. I can tell you had some good upbringing. That is the right way to disagree with someone. Jam knows that NIMS is not an organization but however it was a group of individuals that pushed it down our throats. Jam is not a new babe, He has been around the block a time or two. If you learn and train on ICS like we have had in place for years then you will do ok managing a scene. “Hopefully”
      The other guy that posted here three or four times needs to go to some anger management classes. There is no need to dog him for two days in a row just because you don’t agree with him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
        The NIMS compliance timetable (for those who choose to comply) was published in 2008. What took so long? (BTW, NIMS is ICS.)



        No, you simply don't have the vaguest understanding of what NIMS actually is...
        Deputy Marshall, in the other thread you said some of us volunteer departments needed to bite the bullet and get our own trainers trained for 300 and 400.

        I just shot that statement full of holes in the volunteer section. We departments who get no federal funding to our $10,000 a year budgets spend the money to get trainers trained? You also mentioned that we do it because we work during the week and because the federal instructors do not work weekends, that is why we should fork out to get the trainers? You sound almost like your from a paid department. That our weekends are expendable and theirs are not? That type of position is exactly the problems we are having with out of control government at this time. They continue to demand more from us. NIMS is only a small part of those overwhelming avalanche of codes and regulations and certifications. We small all volunteer departments appear to be the easy ones that they want to dump this on. Our state ema is the agency collecting and putting the pressure on us because they are getting even more pressure it seems.

        As I said. All that really needs to be done is to have monthly NIMS training sessions for one member per department. NIMS use their dime to bring the attendee to them and keep their own records. ''Every emergency responder in the nation'' give me a break America.'' I want to see everyone involved with the NIMS agency providing certifications for accountability for us.

        Otherwise Dep Marsh,,, you can use your own money to come here and train us. I would be grateful. Till then .,... enough is enough.

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        • #19
          it was a group of individuals that pushed it down our throats.
          What.....? This happens there too...... LOL. I've always been a proponent that if an area has a System that works for them then good. I also feel though that we also need to train on a National System for when National, Multi-jurisdictional and/or Major Incidents occur we can all be on the same page.

          There is no need to dog him for two days in a row just because you don’t agree with him.
          What.....? Wouldn't be a Firehouse conversation if that never happened..... LOL.

          Thanks for the compliments. I do have some awesome backbone Chiefs/C.O. and Mentors that have raised me right.....
          "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

          Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

          Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jam24u View Post
            I just shot that statement full of holes in the volunteer section. We departments who get no federal funding to our $10,000 a year budgets spend the money to get trainers trained?
            I think money is a weak excuse. Not every member has to have 300 or 400. In fact, in NJ, most departments only need their highest level officer to have 300. More to the point, the training is free from a few state and county agencies.

            They continue to demand more from us. NIMS is only a small part of those overwhelming avalanche of codes and regulations and certifications. We small all volunteer departments appear to be the easy ones that they want to dump this on. Our state ema is the agency collecting and putting the pressure on us because they are getting even more pressure it seems.
            What else are you being required to be trained on, except for NIMS? What codes and regulations?

            I can't believe this is an issue... ?
            I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

            "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

            "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jam24u View Post
              Deputy Marshall, in the other thread you said some of us volunteer departments needed to bite the bullet and get our own trainers trained for 300 and 400.
              Actually I said "take the bull by the horns." If you want to be more NIMS compliant you're having such a hard time gettting NIMS training for the few officers who need one of the two courses not available online, show some initiative and contract a course at a more convenient time and place.

              I just shot that statement full of holes in the volunteer section.
              No, you've just ranted some more and, once again, shown that you have very little understanding of what NIMS is and is not.

              We departments who get no federal funding to our $10,000 a year budgets spend the money to get trainers trained?
              First of all, if you aren't getting any federal money, you don't have to be NIMS compliant. Secondly, how are you funding the rest of your training? If you have no qualified trainers available anyway then NIMS is the least of your problems. Maybe it's time to find a new hobby?
              "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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              The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
                First of all, if you aren't getting any federal money, you don't have to be NIMS compliant.
                Some states do require it. NJ is one of them.
                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                  Some states do require it. NJ is one of them.
                  Which comes right back around to what I've said from the start: It sounds like jam's issue is with a state agency -- nots with NIMS.
                  "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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                  The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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