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  • #16
    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Unions shouldn't be allowed to use dues at all to support politicians...

    I'm down with that.
    They don't. PACS are separate donations.
    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jasper 45 View Post
      The feeling is likewise.


      I'm not going to fish thru your post to address each point because I don't want to take the time.
      I'm not ****ed and you threw no facts out. You threw out some opinions and were looking to get another sh*t storm rolling; we've been seeing a lot of that from other firefighters throughout the state and even at the memorial in Colorado Springs. So please, pardon me if I don't see your 'innocence" in your just asking questions.

      The whole point about the vollies in our houses was just that, a point. You know my feeling on the topic and you echoed it with your reference to the privates; that is a huge problem, watch it grow in the next few months.
      The reason I brought it up is your mix and match with the whole "union brotherhood" mantra. I have to ask, since you're so in to union "rights"; were you in Madison the other day, when the AFL-CIO needed "brothers" and "sisters" to help get the mining bill thru that would have provided thousands of good paying union jobs, or did you let those jobs run to Michigan out of spite? I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that. The politician(s) I support are trying to bring jobs to this state to help pay for our jobs. We need them here and your side just sent a whole bunch of them packing. At least they weren't union jobs, tho...oh, yeah-they were...

      Look, you were the one who had all of these "facts" for us to see.



      Here's your quote; this is what this whole topic is about. Or, did you have something else on your mind? Like just a burning desire to throw some crap out there and let it stick? Personally, I'm thinking the latter. Especially after training some of your guys over the past few days. It's kind of odd that just out of the blue, over a year and a half into this whole mess we have, you go and decide to start a thread like this. That strikes me as more than just a bit odd.
      So tell me, is this just a coincidence?


      All I'm going to say is that if you don't know what the problem is in this state, stop pointing fingers and look in the mirror. We are, and I don't mean us in local 215. I mean all of us in the public sector We have taken too much for granted for far too long. Maybe not us specifically, but in general, segments of public employees have and continue to cause these problems on a day to day basis.
      It isn't even worth the discussion anymore, especially over the internet where phrases and text are taken out of context routinely.

      The only thing about this whole thread that ****es me off is you putting words in my mouth. I am not ****ed off, far from it. My life is great. Maybe if you would spend more time figuring out why the politicians have enacted the legislation they have, we could get back to where we were.

      I am also completely comfortable with my decision to support this Governor and my local.

      I'm trying to refrain from slamming other unions and other segments of the public work force here. I hold my opinions and they are well researched and thought out. If you want to discuss this at length give me a call, I'm more than happy to share my viewpoints.

      I am a bit leery about this topic, particularly on forums as they heat up. I have family that works for other PFFW departments and some get togethers have been...interesting, to say the least. Honestly, it is getting tough to argue against the union "thug" image after some of these "interactions". Even with other public union workers and others in the International. I guess brotherhood disappears when opinions are not the same. Whatever.

      I support Governor Walker. With the recall I get to vote for him a second time, legally. A lot of guys I work with support him, as well. Plenty of guys I work with in my unionized, part-time job support him too. In fact, I would be very eager to hear how you justify keeping special laws that give us more legal rights than the iron workers in local 8, or any of the other brewery worker locals or any of the other private sector union workers.
      Okay, let me address a couple of topics here:

      1) I had no problem with mining coming to Wisconsin. I did have problems with the appearance of a lessening of environmental protections. Frrankly, I do not want any part of this state strip mined, or some similar technique, and left in ruins. I do not trust corporate America, or the current administration in this state, to follow up and restore the land as best as they can when finished mining. The governor has made no bones about neutering the DNR, so pardon me if I am suspicious.

      2) Coincidence that a hot topic political issue comes to light soon before the recall election? Nope. I went to one of the meet and greets in Milwaukee over at, I think 32's house, by Timmerman. It went very well, at least I thought so. I spent several minutes chatting with your guys on the floor about issues related to working together, staffing, equipment, and more. I never felt unwelcome or looked down upon. I look foward to worrking together with Milwaukee Firefighters because when we are on an emergency call the politics don't mean jack schitt at that moment in time. All that matters is the Brothers and Sisters doing the job and taking care of each other. I can seperate the two topics.

      3) Tell me which of the facts I listed is wrong. If any part of the following is WRONG I will post a retraction.

      It is well known in the State of Wisconsin that Local 215 Milwaukee Fire Department supported Scott Walker during his run for govenor.

      What may not be so well known NOW is that Local 215 is contributing money to the Republican State senators who are being recalled. These include Scott Fitzgerald R-Juneau, Van Wanggaard R-Racine, Terry Moulton R-Cihppewa Falls, and Pam Gallowy R-Wausau. They have also donated $3000 to Glenn Grothman R-West Bend.
      .

      4) Union thug is an easy out for the conservatives. The times I marched at the Capitol the only people I saw agitating and in initiating any physical confrontations were Walker supporters and tea party members. The truth is no matter what side a person chooses in any political debate there will be overzealous idiots on either side making their side look bad.

      5) I have said repeatedly I do not expect those "special laws" to last. If walker wins the recall I believe we won't be too far away from losing collective bargaining too. Maybe you know more about that than I do.

      6) Stay safe, and the odds are now I may see you at the big one, either there or here.
      Last edited by FyredUp; 03-12-2012, 01:06 AM.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • #18
        Jasper,

        My kid pointed out that because I know you, and you are MFD, that you may have felt I was baiting you. Believe me 100% when I tell you that thought never entered my mind. I made my post as a general post to anyone that wanted to address it.

        So I apologize if you felt this was a personal thing, because that was not my intent.
        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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        • #19
          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          1) I had no problem with mining coming to Wisconsin. I did have problems with the appearance of a lessening of environmental protections. Frrankly, I do not want any part of this state strip mined, or some similar technique, and left in ruins. I do not trust corporate America, or the current administration in this state, to follow up and restore the land as best as they can when finished mining. The governor has made no bones about neutering the DNR, so pardon me if I am suspicious.
          We do have to make some choices on whether we want jobs or do we want to be broke. I am into conservation, the majority of my hobbies are outside and in the woods. I just see a double standard given out by the lefties on this one. They're all worried about the environment when it comes to a Republican bringing in jobs. Yet, when one of their -Tom Barrett- does nothing to address the routine flushing of billions of gallons of raw sewage into Lake Michigan every time it rains. In case people don't understand what raw sewage is, it's human excrement.
          That is the reason why we had the crypto outbreak in 1992.

          No one raises an eyebrow to that, yet for the mining? Which exists already in Minnesota and the UP of Michigan. That makes me scratch my head. Especially since the majority of mining equipment would have come out of Bucyrus.

          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          Nope. I went to one of the meet and greets in Milwaukee over at, I think 32's house, by Timmerman. It went very well, at least I thought so. I spent several minutes chatting with your guys on the floor about issues related to working together, staffing, equipment, and more. I never felt unwelcome or looked down upon. I look foward to worrking together with Milwaukee Firefighters because when we are on an emergency call the politics don't mean jack schitt at that moment in time. All that matters is the Brothers and Sisters doing the job and taking care of each other. I can seperate the two topics.
          I can separate, as well. That would also be engine 4. Friday we put your guys off the roof at Miller Park for a 250 ft rappel; they seemed to enjoy it. There will be more in the future. Those rigs though!!

          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          3) Tell me which of the facts I listed is wrong. If any part of the following is WRONG I will post a retraction.
          Those facts aren't wrong. More or less, I was referring to the anti-labor and, that is strictly a matter of opinion. To me, anti-labor is throwing good paying jobs out of the state when we had them in our hands.
          Save for the fact that the Act 10 puts the control at the local level -an argument the lefties are using to kill the residency bill, by the way (which I do oppose) there haven't been any jobs lost or eliminated, for the most part.

          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          4) Union thug is an easy out for the conservatives. The times I marched at the Capitol the only people I saw agitating and in initiating any physical confrontations were Walker supporters and tea party members. The truth is no matter what side a person chooses in any political debate there will be overzealous idiots on either side making their side look bad.

          Sit back and take an honest look at it. Have you ever had to stand up in the union hall and openly vote, by raising your hand, in opposition to the majority? I have several times. It isn't a good experience.
          I wasn't really talking about the marches. I went up and watched some of the doings in the Capitol, just to see it for myself. There were no real problems there.

          If you look deeply and honestly, from an outsiders perspective...that's where we need to look from. They do write our checks. They aren't necessarily smart, either; we have an alderman who thinks we can fight fire without water.

          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          5) I have said repeatedly I do not expect those "special laws" to last. If walker wins the recall I believe we won't be too far away from losing collective bargaining too. Maybe you know more about that than I do.
          I don't either. I have thought long and hard about what I believe. It is not an easy or a cavalier decision. Maybe it will be a mistake, maybe it won't.

          Just remember though, when we try and paint ourselves as being morally sound. When the reform bill was announced and fire/police exempted, everyone pointed and said it was payback to us for backing Walker. His camp said it was to ensure we stayed on the job, something our unions said was ridiculous.
          Yet, one local in this state has a history of walking out on strike and the fifth district president of the IAFF is on video advocating for firefighters to walk off the job. Sounds like some pretty legit concerns...

          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          6) Stay safe, and the odds are now I may see you at the big one, either there or here.
          Odds are it won't have to be the big one, it could be just another run of the mill fire. Rumor has it our rescue companies will be attached to your full assignments soon...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
            Jasper,

            My kid pointed out that because I know you, and you are MFD, that you may have felt I was baiting you. Believe me 100% when I tell you that thought never entered my mind. I made my post as a general post to anyone that wanted to address it.

            So I apologize if you felt this was a personal thing, because that was not my intent.

            Smart kid you have there...it's also one of the bad things about the internet; tone, inflection, immediate interaction, etc...things get misread and misunderstood.
            Never mind that I had just been lit up by some of my brother's co-workers on the topic. It's all good and healthy discussions are needed to make the world go round.

            In reading back over the posts I had over-reacted with a lot of my interpretation of what you had said.

            You guys get inserviced yet on our radios? The "Open Sky" system? Fire grounds in which we operate together are going to be interesting with communication for awhile. We've been losing our signals inside of homes and stores every time we're in any of them.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jasper 45 View Post
              Smart kid you have there...it's also one of the bad things about the internet; tone, inflection, immediate interaction, etc...things get misread and misunderstood.
              Never mind that I had just been lit up by some of my brother's co-workers on the topic. It's all good and healthy discussions are needed to make the world go round.

              In reading back over the posts I had over-reacted with a lot of my interpretation of what you had said.

              You guys get inserviced yet on our radios? The "Open Sky" system? Fire grounds in which we operate together are going to be interesting with communication for awhile. We've been losing our signals inside of homes and stores every time we're in any of them.
              As for the initial hostilities here...I am cool and hope you are too. Brothers don't always agree and that is just the way life goes.

              We had a brief hands on with your radios and essentially your radios and ours can talk to each othe on MABAS Red. I would suppose it gets easierr as you use it more but it seems kind of complicated.

              When we first went to our 800 radios we had trouble with getting signals inside some buildings. Either you didn't get the message or got a honk when you tried to transmit. Some of those issues have been fixed, some areas are still trouble spots
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #22
                this hole thread is a joke. jasper is a joke and local215 is a even bigger joke. all the surounding departments should refuse to help mfd with anything. they dont care about anyone but themselves. let them reap there own votes fruit. there is no brotherhood in milwaukee

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PFFW proud View Post
                  this hole thread is a joke. jasper is a joke and local215 is a even bigger joke. all the surounding departments should refuse to help mfd with anything. they dont care about anyone but themselves. let them reap there own votes fruit. there is no brotherhood in milwaukee
                  Spelling is a joke, too.
                  I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                  "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                  "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                  • #24
                    real nice...nowthe hole world is seeing them for what this is.

                    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/145814335.html

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by PFFW proud View Post
                      real nice...nowthe hole world is seeing them for what this is.

                      http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/145814335.html
                      What are they? Isn't this how all special interests operate?
                      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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