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    Heres my question to other cheifs and chief officers, past and present. The way 1403 is written do you believe that if you have a burn building and you locate a wood stove inside this building would this violate the standard? I feel that if the stove is located inside the building, then 1403 would have to be followed to the T. If the stove is located outside and smoke is piped in to the building for training then you would not have to follow 1403. What we have is a 10x12 wood structure to be used for smoke training on our fd property. we want to smoke it up so new and old ff's can train in real smoke conditions to pratice rescue opps., I just want to make sure we are following the laws and regs the best we can. This is why I pose this question to my fellow ff officers out and about. Thanks for any and all input.

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    If it is a combustible structure, and you are introducing live fire into it, and someone gets hurt......

    You see where I am going with this?
    "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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      This wooden structure has a sprinkler system across the ceiling inside fed from a 2 1/2 inch pipe attached to truck outside in case there where to be a fire inside, but my question is with this type of smoke delivery do you follow 1403 or not? I hear what your saying about saftey.

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      • #4
        Sprinkler system or not...

        If it is a combustible structure, and you are introducing live fire into it, and someone gets hurt......
        "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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        • #5
          if its 10x12 just use a smoke machine

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          • #6
            Originally posted by js616 View Post
            This wooden structure has a sprinkler system across the ceiling inside fed from a 2 1/2 inch pipe attached to truck outside in case there where to be a fire inside, but my question is with this type of smoke delivery do you follow 1403 or not? I hear what your saying about saftey.
            My understanding is YES. You are creating an IDLH environment with both the smoke and gases that you are introducing into the structure. The fact that it is real smoke and any potential for fire, 1403 is necessary. If you don't follow it and something happens, you are screwed.
            Jason Brooks
            IAFF Local 2388
            IACOJ

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            • #7
              Simply the answer to your question is yes it will fall under 1403. You will have to follow those guidelines. And I agree if you are only going to use it for smoke training just use a smoke machine.

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