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  • paid vs. volly

    Okay, what dictates paying firefighters or not? Is it matter of necessity to pay some dept. or is it the town or city's privilege to be able to have paid professionals? There are seemingly no difference from one town to another but some are paid and some are not. The Paid and Volly departments could have high or low populations/ population densities. Some could have high rises and others do not. Some have a high structure fire rate/risk and some do not. Seems to me that it all depends on if tax payers wanna pay for it or not.

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    For the most part.....


    Call volume. # of available volunteers to answer the calls.

    Any town that has enough volunteers answering calls to not run short is probably not going to pay anyone. When the number of volunteers is not adequate....paying people takes over.

    And/Or if the number of calls is simply higher than what volunteers can respond to....paid fits that bill.

    You can and will find examples that prove this theory wrong in both ways. I know of a volunteer area that answers lots of runs and a paid area that barely answers any calls. Why is one paid and one vol? No idea.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    • #3
      How many threads are you going to post this query in? Methinks you might be a troll............
      "Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
        How many threads are you going to post this query in? Methinks you might be a troll............
        or just another dumb schitt...
        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
          How many threads are you going to post this query in? Methinks you might be a troll............
          not a troll... just want to hear some opinions on why some people work their butts off risking their life everyday, other places are not doing half as much but reaping all the benefits and getting paid more.

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          • #6
            And I think it's about time that more departments start merging and going paid, especially in places like Bergen County. 60 Departments in 58 municipalities (please correct me if necessary). That's ridiculous. Especially when 3-4 are paid. Especially when BC borders Passaic County and the paid cities of Passaic, Paterson and Clifton, yet the Civil Service test is restricted to residency and age with no volunteer credit or EMT credit.

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            • #7
              Simple - money. It costs about a half million per year per full-time firefighter, give or take. If a community can (or is willing to) afford that price tag, they're more likely to have paid staff.

              Available volunteers do also affect that - a community that could easily afford paid staff but has a strong vollie base will stick with the volunteers until they can't.
              Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

              Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tree68 View Post
                Simple - money. It costs about a half million per year per full-time firefighter, give or take. If a community can (or is willing to) afford that price tag, they're more likely to have paid staff.

                Available volunteers do also affect that - a community that could easily afford paid staff but has a strong vollie base will stick with the volunteers until they can't.
                Half a million? Please explain that. We were always told by the Union that our complete compensation was our pay plus roughly half of that to cover pension and benefits. I can guarantee you mine never came close to half a million dollars a year.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                  Half a million? Please explain that. We were always told by the Union that our complete compensation was our pay plus roughly half of that to cover pension and benefits. I can guarantee you mine never came close to half a million dollars a year.
                  You're right - my bad - can't even keep my own facts properly in line. The half million is for a 24/7 four person crew. Not sure why I got that confused... Must be old age.

                  A year is 8,750 hours, times four is 35,040 manhours. Actually, if you use a $20/hour pay rate, it's over $700K, and that doesn't include benefits, vacation, sick time, etc.

                  So, to put on a single career-staffed engine company is going to run over a million per year, and that's the point I was trying to make...

                  Our fire district currently has an annual budget of about $400K. There would be a mass lynching if they better than tripled that, and we'd still need volunteers to staff the rest of the apparatus (two more engines, a truck, heavy and light rescue, two tankers, and a brush truck)



                  Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                  Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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