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  • #76
    Hey......

    Any of you Seattle guys got Hanna Montana tickets?

    Instead of worrying about a 9/11 conspiracy, you should focus on the one going on in your agency.

    FG
    IACOJ.... "Carpe Elkhartem"
    (Seize the Nozzle)


    "Victorious warriors win first,
    and then go to war,
    while defeated warriors go to war first,
    and then seek to win."

    SUN TZU

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    • #77
      I'm not going to try & convince anyone of anything. There is enough information & history available that if you choose not to educate yourselves, that's on you. However, without all availible info taken into account, it's impossible to form a valid conclusion. Anyone that chooses to be "blissfully ignorant" of the events that are unfolding as we speak, can no longer be considered innocent, learn your history.
      In other words: Not going to try and convince anyone of anything, but if we understand the facts differently than you, were are uneducated, unlearned and "blissfully ignorant", and have reached an invalid conclusion.

      Please don't patronize us.

      FyredUp: Chitown...

      Why did you delete your name from your fantasy letter you never sent?

      You are a phony.
      Exactly. Telling that his first post at the forum is on this thread.

      What kind of complete numbskull comes to a firefighter website, with a handfull of FDNY firefighters as members, and presumes to tell those that were there what actually happened.
      Bingo again, FyredUp.

      And like you, I think koolaid and chitown should each grow a pair and talk to the FDNY guys that were there. They weren't cowards that day, and they aren't today.

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      • #78
        Why is this moronic thread even being allowed to continue? Oh yea, the webteam is impotent and useless. Maybe if they came around more than twice a year, it would help.
        Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Firegod343 View Post
          Hey......

          Any of you Seattle guys got Hanna Montana tickets?

          Instead of worrying about a 9/11 conspiracy, you should focus on the one going on in your agency.

          FG
          I hardly think that one dishonest scumbag equals a conspiracy.
          PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Chitown View Post
            When these historical facts are brought to light, one may find himself being labeled as “anti-American” or “unpatriotic” for not going along with the government’s agenda.
            Hey Genius, what facts? You haven't identified, nor have any of your lunatic friends given any facts.


            I fully expect to be lambasted here, I don't care. I've never been a conspiracy theorist (amazing that just a phrase can shut down a debate, huh?) a terrorist sympathizer or a "tin-foil hat" wearer. I am a family man, a fireman & a patriot who is not willing to stand by & do nothing as our Nation falls.
            Yes, I'm sure you are going to get lambasted here. Because you are an uneducated idiot led astray by some graphics and color pictures.

            I'm not going to try & convince anyone of anything. There is enough information & history available that if you choose not to educate yourselves, that's on you. However, without all availible info taken into account, it's impossible to form a valid conclusion. Anyone that chooses to be "blissfully ignorant" of the events that are unfolding as we speak, can no longer be considered innocent, learn your history.
            There is enough information & history to refute all that you believe. This blind belief in some complicated conspiracy theory is the sign of low intelligence.

            You bring up the Nazi's, it was people like you and your comrades that were stupid enough then to buy into their assinine theories like an "aryan nation" and "the final solution".

            People wonder how the holocaust could've happened. Assemble enough of these idiots together and voila!

            I hold our 343 fallen Brothers in the most sacred place in my heart. I also give you all the respect you deserve & sincerely hope that yourselves & your families come out of this comming crisis O.K.
            As for myself, I will continue to do what I believe is morally right, reguardless of how uncomfortable or unpopular it is.
            No, you continue to expose the survivors to more pain and distress. You should be ashamed.

            OH, and don't call them your brothers.
            I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

            "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

            "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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            • #81
              So it seems like the general consensus is that all we need to do is go and speak with the FDNY guys that were there that day and we will find out what really happened. A scenario in your would would look something like this: A structure fire where there was an internal floor collapse. Mr. Wendt is the investigator in charge. His entire investigation would consist of interviewing all firemen that were on scene to witness the collapse. Mr. Wendt's report would say, "After interviewing all of the on scene personnel they have told me that they witnessed "X" happen. We do not need to review the arson threats we received on this building, nor do we need to test for accelerants because none of the witnesses believe it was arson with accelerants involved."

              Well, since most cities are in a severe budget crunch right now, I think we can use this new found knowledge to inform our chiefs that we no longer need our fire investigation units.

              Jason Abney
              B3/C

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Firegod343 View Post
                Hey......

                Any of you Seattle guys got Hanna Montana tickets?

                Instead of worrying about a 9/11 conspiracy, you should focus on the one going on in your agency.

                FG
                Careful judging 900+ people based on the actions of a few d-bags. I'm sure your FD has at least a couple of idiots that we could paint the whole group with.

                Glass houses my friend.....

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                • #83
                  an unofficial Webteam response

                  Originally posted by nmfire View Post
                  Why is this moronic thread even being allowed to continue? Oh yea, the webteam is impotent and useless. Maybe if they came around more than twice a year, it would help.
                  "I fully expect to be lambasted here, I don't care."
                  - Chitown

                  That is reason enough alone to let it stay.

                  I believe it to be disrespectful to have the so-called conspiracy theories posted. I support their right to post it, within the terms of service as a customer relation and as far as responsibilities at work. I don't believe in these myths nor have I explored them with the slightest hint of curiosity. Each time one of these theories is raised on the forums, my initial reaction is to have us close the thread. One of the biggest complaints from individuals and organizations insinuating conspiracies is that the government and authorities work to keep 'the truth' from being known. Shutting down such threads, or banning users who post those threads, plays right into their hand.

                  In this thread, and others similar, there are three types of user responses: 1. take your conspiracy theory and shove it; 2. debating it with facts; and 3. ignoring it. You can freely choose any of them. My personal views on problem threads lies with how it would be taken inside the firehouse dayroom. If you open up a can of worms in your own house, you have to take what you dish out. You will quickly be the low man on the pecking order and eating your meals with no one beside you. That is why I printed and filed Chitown's post and highlighted Chitown's quote above.

                  We are free to chose what we want to read and if we want to participate in the discussion or not. This subject will eventually die down and the majority of you will be discussing whether or not we should critique a LODD seconds after someone posted it on Twitter, or whether or not explorers can participate in exterior fireground operations. "Nyckftbl" and others will wonder why there is more participation in "What Brand Glove Should I Buy?" than the Tactics threads, and "E40FDNYL35" will continue to pass along the important information that the news, and some of us, forget despite "Never Forget".

                  I wear Tom Butler's bracelet. He still has not been "found".
                  -correction, Tom was found, as far as our latest updates show.

                  How many who can quickly trade comments back and forth about a conspiracy, either for or against, just as quickly recall how many brothers have still not been found?

                  Bill Carey
                  Last edited by bcarey; 04-03-2009, 12:41 PM. Reason: update from members missing
                  "If you put the fire out right in the first place, you won't have to jump out the window."
                  Andy Fredericks,
                  FDNY E.48, SQ.18
                  Alexandria, VA F.D.

                  Rest in Peace

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                  • #84
                    Last Updated on 06-09-2005.

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                    If you know of changes to the status of any of the fallen, email [email protected]. Thank you.
                    "If you put the fire out right in the first place, you won't have to jump out the window."
                    Andy Fredericks,
                    FDNY E.48, SQ.18
                    Alexandria, VA F.D.

                    Rest in Peace

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                    • #85
                      George and sfd


                      Originally posted by sfd1992 View Post
                      Careful judging 900+ people based on the actions of a few d-bags. I'm sure your FD has at least a couple of idiots that we could paint the whole group with.

                      Glass houses my friend.....
                      George, there are a lot more than one individual involved....this one goes all the way to the top.

                      http://www.komonews.com/news/41723822.html

                      sfd - You should keep up on your hometown news a little better.....while it was just one rogue inspector, it appears (per the local news) that Chief Dean was aware of the problem, to the point that the Chief demoted another Chief officer for bringing the fire marshals improprieties to light.

                      There has even been talk that Mayor Nichols is covering for Chief Dean, and wouldn't remove him if the alleged wrongdoing is true. Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

                      Nowhere in my post did I denigrate the Seattle Fire Department as a whole. I merely stated exactly what the local news is indicating, that Chief Dean is covering for the fire marshal that got caught. I frequently teach with a number of Seattle guys, and they are always top notch. I have great respect for my Seattle brothers.

                      And my glass house is cleaned on a daily, and as needed basis, thank you.

                      FG
                      Last edited by Firegod343; 04-03-2009, 01:42 PM.
                      IACOJ.... "Carpe Elkhartem"
                      (Seize the Nozzle)


                      "Victorious warriors win first,
                      and then go to war,
                      while defeated warriors go to war first,
                      and then seek to win."

                      SUN TZU

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                      • #86
                        OK, so you didn't "denigrate the Seattle Fire Dept as whole".......

                        Originally posted by Firegod343 View Post
                        Hey......

                        Any of you Seattle guys got Hanna Montana tickets?

                        Instead of worrying about a 9/11 conspiracy, you should focus on the one going on in your agency.

                        FG

                        The moonbat 9/11 conspiracy clowns and the FMO issue have absolutely nothing to do with each other, so what's the point of bringing it up?

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                        • #87
                          Has your local news ever printed a story and gotten the details wrong about an incident that you responded to? I cannot count the times where the news doesn't have the first clue about what has happened at a fire or ems incident. There is so much more to this story than what KOMO news printed. A chief was demoted, but there is far more to that story than what the news knows. Contrary to what you might think, we are up on what is going on in our department, as well as coming on here to have an open debate about whether or not there should be another investigation in to 9/11. Most of us on here have been around long enough to know that the media is far from infallible. I sincerely hope that an unfortunate incident involving a few of our members is not what you're using to judge us by, because I'm sure not everyone in your department is perfect.

                          Jason Abney
                          B3/C

                          Originally posted by Firegod343 View Post
                          George and sfd




                          George, there are a lot more than one individual involved....this one goes all the way to the top.

                          http://www.komonews.com/news/41723822.html

                          sfd - You should keep up on your hometown news a little better.....while it was just one rogue inspector, it appears (per the local news) that Chief Dean was aware of the problem, to the point that the Chief demoted another Chief officer for bringing the fire marshals improprieties to light.

                          There has even been talk that Mayor Nichols is covering for Chief Dean, and wouldn't remove him if the alleged wrongdoing is true. Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

                          Nowhere in my post did I denigrate the Seattle Fire Department as a whole. I merely stated exactly what the local news is indicating, that Chief Dean is covering for the fire marshal that got caught. I frequently teach with a number of Seattle guys, and they are always top notch. I have great respect for my Seattle brothers.

                          And my glass house is cleaned on a daily, and as needed basis, thank you.

                          FG

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by sfd1992 View Post
                            OK, so you didn't "denigrate the Seattle Fire Dept as whole".......




                            The moonbat 9/11 conspiracy clowns and the FMO issue have absolutely nothing to do with each other, so what's the point of bringing it up?
                            SFD - You are correct, when I wrote "you Seattle guys", it was directed at the three individuals who identified themselves as Seattle Firefighters and 9/11 revisionist. If I offended any Seattle firefighters other than them, it was not my intention and I apologize.

                            As for my point of bringing it up....was to point out that if they want to spend their time looking into conspiracies, they have one readily available in their backyard and not all the way across the country.

                            Once again....when I wrote "you Seattle guys" it was intended solely for the three that posted that 9/11 was all smoke and mirrors.

                            FG

                            FG
                            IACOJ.... "Carpe Elkhartem"
                            (Seize the Nozzle)


                            "Victorious warriors win first,
                            and then go to war,
                            while defeated warriors go to war first,
                            and then seek to win."

                            SUN TZU

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                              My question still stands: What does MOLTEN CONCRETE look like? ...........And before you post, I said PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE. Dont give me links, dont give me theories, dont give me babble. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.

                              I posted the link to this before, on page 2.
                              As I stated there, I'm not part of this 911fortruth thing.
                              Someone just asked what molten concrete looked like, I was curious too.
                              Took all of about 5 seconds on Google.
                              Since you don't want links, here's the actual picture.




                              http://masten-space.com/images/cimg1323_rd.jpg
                              Last edited by flipper123; 04-03-2009, 03:28 PM.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by flipper123 View Post
                                I posted the link to this before, on page 2.
                                As I stated there, I'm not part of this 911fortruth thing.
                                Someone just asked what molten concrete looked like, I was curious too.
                                Took all of about 5 seconds on Google.
                                Since you don't want links, here's the actual picture.
                                I don't really understand why this is even an issue. Anyone who denies the high heat from a burning jet airliner is fooling themselves.
                                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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