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  • #61
    Finally, someone has the balls to go and actually read the information that Erik is presenting.

    Originally posted by pfdpiper View Post
    Koolaid1 (nice name, by the way)-

    I did, actually, check out your site and muddle through it. And it does bring up some good points, I gotta admit....I dont know about chuggin the all koolaid, but there is a lot of stuff that doesn't add up that I must've missed back then.

    More importantly, I respect you having your opinions and views, regardless of how unpopular they are, and for having the balls to share them, during this 'blood-in' beatdown....probably not the easiest crowd you've faced I'm sure. But it's firemen, whatda expect?

    Take care and watch out for the black helicopters!

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    • #62
      Here is a video made by architects and engineers that says the NIST report is wrong.

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97765360042032

      Here is a video series where NIST admits that Tower 7 fell at freefall or near freefall speed.

      http://video.google.com/videosearch?...&hl=en&tab=wv#

      http://video.google.com/videosearch?...&hl=en&tab=wv#

      http://video.google.com/videosearch?...&hl=en&tab=wv#

      Originally posted by PATF1engineer View Post
      Go to Section 2.4, on about page 63 of the pdf....

      http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf

      A bunch of facts produced by engineers based on laws of physics that takes all of your bullsh1t and flushes it down the toilet where it belongs.

      Take your website and stick it.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by PATF1engineer View Post
        Go to Section 2.4, on about page 63 of the pdf....

        http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf

        A bunch of facts produced by engineers based on laws of physics that takes all of your bullsh1t and flushes it down the toilet where it belongs.

        Take your website and stick it.
        Bravo, sir, Bravo!
        ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
        Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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        • #64
          Originally posted by hwoods View Post
          Oh, almost forgot. Wife and I stopped by the local Walmart to pick up some stuff, and ran into Elvis Presley............

          Ya never know who will turn up these days..............
          I saw a show on the History Channel that Elvis, President Kennedy, and D.B. Cooper have a cabin over there.



          Congrats on your tractor pulling....Got a pimped out tractor or a "stock" one? My uncle just used his stock John Deer and got some huge sponsor money doing it too!
          Jason Knecht
          Firefighter/EMT
          Township Fire Dept., Inc.
          Eau Claire, WI

          IACOJ - Director of Cheese and Whine
          http://www.cheddarvision.tv/
          EAT CHEESE OR DIE!!

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          • #65
            Waitasec!
            Harve is not just watching? He's doing the actual tractor pulling?!
            Sweet!

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            • #66
              Originally posted by hwoods View Post
              I'm now mopping up Coffee........... Again. I need to put the Coffee Cup down before reading George, Dickey, and You..............
              That can't be true, Chief. I am a grumpy old man!
              PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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              • #67
                stepping out of your comfort zone

                An open (& honest) letter to my Commisioner, Chaplin & Emergency Mgmt. Director.

                Dear Sir,

                My name is **blank** and I am a 10 year veteran of the Chicago Fire Dept. Like most that have pursued a career in the fire service, I consider it a calling much more than a career. I’ve always felt an overwhelming desire to help those in need and serve my country in such a capacity, which brings me to the purpose for writing this letter.

                September 11, 2001. As the world watched in horror, more than 3000 innocent people lost their lives to an unspeakable evil. This was without a doubt, the darkest day in our lifetime and in many eyes, American history. We saw the best and the worst of humanity as Firefighters, Police officers, Port Authority workers and so many others gave their lives so that another might live. In the following days, weeks and months, rescuers poured in from around the country to assist, anything they could do to help. Our nation was in a state of shock that brought forth an entire range of emotions. Deep sorrow, fear, uncertainty and hatred, coupled with love for each other, community, emergent patriotism and resolve. I still remember those strange days following, when people looked each other in the eye with a sense of “togetherness” I’ve never witnessed before or after. Over the next several days, we were shown the faces and the names of those who perpetrated this crime against our nation. We vowed to hunt down, kill and bring these individuals to justice. In addition, we vowed to make sure this would never happen again by declaring a “War on Terror.”

                With the shock of this terrible day hanging over us like a fog, the American people started searching for answers. How did our defenses fail us? Why were the planes not intercepted by NORAD? How could three sky scrapers collapse in such a fashion? A group of 9/11 victims family members called “The Family Steering Committee” demanded an investigation from the Bush administration. After being met with much resistance, the 9/11 Commission was formed. Unfortunately, only about 30 % of the families’ questions were answered and the Commission itself was widely regarded as “compromised” due to conflict of interest, omissions and obstruction of justice. The numerous omissions and distortions contained in the official investigation, has given birth to the “9/11 Truth Movement”.

                In November of 2005, I was detailed to another firehouse. It was a quiet day and we were hanging out watching some mindless television show when one of the guys asked if we wanted to watch a documentary on 9/11. Of course we were receptive to this considering the subject matter, so we agreed. The film was called “Loose Change” (2nd edition). The film brought up many compelling arguments against the “official” story of the events surrounding 9/11. Although I was outraged by such allegations, I felt that I needed to watch the entire film. After it was over, we talked and had some lively debates about the issues addressed. I was disturbed, yet determined to prove that this was all spin and “conspiracy theory”. I went home and spoke with my wife, telling her about the film and how much it bothered me. Over the next couple of weeks, I spent considerable time researching the information presented in the film. I looked at both sides of the coin, the official story vs. the emergent evidence and although I found some of the issues presented on the film highly debatable, I came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that we were being lied to.
                Needless to say, I was floored. I felt as if my life had been ripped out from under me. I had voted twice (regrettably) for Bush, vehemently supported the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and would have marched into Red China, had you told me Osama Bin Laden was there! I began speaking to many people, both on and off the job, about this topic, mostly met with the same disbelief and outrage I had experienced. I started to believe that perhaps I was misinformed; it certainly seemed too outrageous to be true. This led me to yet another round of research, this time to disprove my worst fears, believing the contradictions to be only coincidence. I had found a “9/11 Debunking” book that had given me the psychological escape route I needed. Although I still had lingering doubts, I was able to cast them aside with the explanations given. I was free.

                About a year later, I began to hear more and more people talking about this subject (especially other firemen) expressing the same concerns I had. I believed that I had found all I needed to disprove the “conspiracy theory” and argued against some of the very research that I had originally done. However, this time I was introduced to a wealth of previously unknown information, most importantly, information that answered the question of “WHY?” This led me on a quest to find out as much as I could about our history, monetary system, political system, events of today’s world and of course 9/11. What I had found was a vast network of research and history that most are unaware of. I began to read stories from alternate news sources from around the country and abroad. It seemed very strange that so many stories of major significance were usually never mentioned in the mainstream media. Taking into account the fact that most people get nearly all their information from mainstream media outlets, it was no wonder that more people weren’t aware of these issues. Once again, I had come to the uncomfortable conclusion that, not only are we being lied to, we are going down a very dangerous path.

                When the events of 9/11, along with our current national/world crisis, are viewed with an open mind, devoid of blind faith or “state sponsored” patriotism, we can view significant historic events as they really are. The 9/11 attacks gave birth to two things that have since shaped our foreign and domestic policy: fear and nationalism. With legislation such as The Patriot Act, FISA bill, Military tribunals, REAL ID act, domestic surveillance, suspension of Habeas Corpus and Pose Commutates, our Constitution has been eviscerated in the name of protecting us from terrorists. The feverish Nationalism generated by the attacks allowed the administration to declare war on a tactic, (terrorism) with no limits or boundaries, thus further creating hatred and distain toward America. The “War on Terror” became a self perpetuating war that will continue indefinitely if allowed.

                Is it mere coincidence that many top foreign policy advisors over the last 30 years have called for American dominance in the resource rich nations of the Middle East and Eurasia? Or that in papers and books written by these same parties, have stated the need for a “New Pearl Harbor” or a “truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat” to accomplish said dominance? What can one make of the fact that these parties are also interconnected with International bankers, multinational corporations, media heads and various world leaders in non-governmental “think tanks” that drive foreign policy, such as, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), The Trilateral Commission and The Bilderberg Group?
                I am fully aware of how outrageous this all sounds, but as comforting as it would be to write it off as “conspiracy theory”, it is sadly 100% true.

                We as Americans are generally people of good heart, willing to come together and help others whenever and wherever a crisis may arise. We see an injustice in the world and feel compelled to use our position to try and resolve it. It is this good nature that leads us to believe that whatever our government does must be for a good cause. While there is no doubt that Islamic extremism is a very real and serious threat, it is absolutely critical to note that the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself, were funded, trained and held close relationships with the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan war. It should also be noted that the CIA was responsible for helping to install the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, as well as the 1953 coup in Iran. There are many reasons why radical Muslims hate the U.S. and “hating our freedoms” does not approach the top of the list. The illegal war in Iraq has been responsible for over 4000 dead American soldiers with many thousands more wounded and psychologically damaged. In addition, an estimated 1,000,000 + Iraqi civilians have been killed. It is easy to disregard those lives as “enemy casualties” but consider that a minute percentage of those killed, were actually any threat to our troops or the U.S. in general. It would be foolish to think that this would not further fuel their hatred and in fact create many more potential enemies, thus making America far less secure.

                However, if you look at this situation in the context of desiring a “truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat” it seems to be functioning quite flawlessly. Those pursuing this agenda need to have their Boogieman.

                When these historical facts are brought to light, one may find himself being labeled as “anti-American” or “unpatriotic” for not going along with the government’s agenda. This technique was used by Nazi propagandists and is the most insidious and dangerous use of “patriotism”. True patriotism is much more than waving a flag or putting a “support our troops” magnet on the back of your vehicle. Between the Orwellian disinformation network and surveillance measures, to the latest round of 9 TRILLION dollar bailouts, our beloved country has been transformed from a Constitutional Republic to a Socio-Fascist state. The basis of true patriotism is understanding, following and speaking openly about the values our great nation was founded on. A dissenting point of view is not only necessary, but should be embraced when those values are not being even remotely followed. Fortunately, there is a large movement of people waking up from a long slumber (myself included). These people are looking around them and asking the question, “What has happened to my country?” They are seeking out answers and solutions. Integral to the future of our Nation is knowing the complete truth about the events surrounding 9/11 and an extremely dedicated group of researches have embarked on a campaign to uncover the truth. This is not some “fringe” movement, but a group of highly educated and qualified individuals such as: current and former intelligence analyst’s, high ranking military personnel, architects and engineers, physicists and chemists, commercial and military pilots, firefighters, members of the 9-11 commision, foreign dignitaries and many, many more.

                With knowledge comes responsibility. I can no longer allow my reticence to govern my actions. I delayed in contacting you because I was afraid of how this would be perceived and how it would reflect on me, but with the recent concerns over bio-terror attacks or pandemics, I believe that time is of the essence. Consider the cryptic warnings from Sen. Biden (“mark my words, there will be a major event within 6 months”), Colin Powel (“there will be a crisis on the 21st or 22nd of January”) or numerous other “warnings” from unknown intelligence sources. Considering the state of world affairs, our global economic crisis and rising tensions in our nation, I believe that we are fast approaching a critical point in history.

                I am presenting this information for your review. I ask that you watch the films presented, visit the websites listed and with an open mind, determine whether you believe that a new, independent investigation needs to be done. Analyze the information as would a juror, with evidence presented from both sides and come to your own verdict. I have chosen to include you because I believe, as the heads of Emergency Services of the third largest city in America, as well as the home to our incoming President, we may have a voice loud enough to be heard. While I fully understand that your position may make it very difficult to publicly raise questions, I also believe that each of you have conquered fear in the line of duty. I sincerely hope and pray that you show the same courage in facing this very serious situation.

                In closing, I want to thank you for reviewing this material. I know that this is very difficult to comprehend, but we don’t choose our point in history, it chooses us and even if we don’t want to believe something, it doesn’t make it untrue. I would like to schedule a meeting with all of you, as soon as possible, to discuss this tremendously important issue. Once again, thank you for your time and God bless.

                Sincerely,
                **BLANK**

                Please go to the following websites:

                www.firefightersfor911truth.org
                www.patriotsquestion911.com
                www.ae911truth.org
                www.911truth.org

                I fully expect to be lambasted here, I don't care. I've never been a conspiracy theorist (amazing that just a phrase can shut down a debate, huh?) a terrorist sympathizer or a "tin-foil hat" wearer. I am a family man, a fireman & a patriot who is not willing to stand by & do nothing as our Nation falls.
                I'm not going to try & convince anyone of anything. There is enough information & history available that if you choose not to educate yourselves, that's on you. However, without all availible info taken into account, it's impossible to form a valid conclusion. Anyone that chooses to be "blissfully ignorant" of the events that are unfolding as we speak, can no longer be considered innocent, learn your history.
                I hold our 343 fallen Brothers in the most sacred place in my heart. I also give you all the respect you deserve & sincerely hope that yourselves & your families come out of this comming crisis O.K.
                As for myself, I will continue to do what I believe is morally right, reguardless of how uncomfortable or unpopular it is.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Chitown View Post
                  I hold our 343 fallen Brothers in the most sacred place in my heart. I also give you all the respect you deserve & sincerely hope that yourselves & your families come out of this comming crisis O.K.
                  As for myself, I will continue to do what I believe is morally right, reguardless of how uncomfortable or unpopular it is.
                  You defile the memory of my brothers (notice that I did not say ours) by posting this crap.
                  Thomas Anthony, PE
                  Structures Specialist PA-TF1 & PA-ST1
                  Paramedic / Rescue Tech North Huntington Twp EMS
                  The artist formerly known as Captain 10-2

                  No, I am not a water rescue technician, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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                  • #69
                    Remember the Brothers. Forget the crap.
                    IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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                    • #70
                      P.S.
                      Yo Chitown, I am throwing the bull**** flag on your letter to Brooks, Orozco and Father Mulcrone. You know as well as I do that your opinion wouldnt last five seconds in a real Chicago firehouse. A letter like that would have you shipped off to medical for a psychological evaluation.
                      Last edited by MIKEYLIKESIT; 04-02-2009, 10:27 PM.
                      IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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                      • #71
                        Geezus is it a damn full moon? All the frigging conspiracy lunatics are out.

                        What kind of complete numbskull comes to a firefighter website, with a handfull of FDNY firefighters as members, and presumes to tell those that were there what actually happened.

                        Personally these conspiracy guys make me want to ****ing puke. They come here and spread their vile nonsense amongst people that have not one inkling of interest in what they have to say. Again, until any of you have the BALLS to walk into an FDNY firehouse, particularly some of those with the greatest losses of guys, and talk about your beliefs you are nothing but pot stirring bitches not worthy of calling yourself firefighters.
                        Crazy, but that's how it goes
                        Millions of people living as foes
                        Maybe it's not too late
                        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                        • #72
                          Chitown...

                          Why did you delete your name from your fantasy letter you never sent?

                          You are a phony.
                          Crazy, but that's how it goes
                          Millions of people living as foes
                          Maybe it's not too late
                          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                          • #73
                            Its a good thing that great men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King and Gandhi did not let the possibility of physical harm stop them in their quest to make this world a better place. If positive change were left up to guys like you then it would never happen.

                            Try to put aside your fear and anger for a moment and tell me what takes more balls: To follow the thoughts and actions of the masses, devoid of any original thought and living a life indistinguishable from anyone else, or to think and act differently from everyone else, using critical and independent thinking, knowing full well that it could end in severe bodily harm including death.

                            Jason Abney
                            B3/C

                            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                            Geezus is it a damn full moon? All the frigging conspiracy lunatics are out.

                            What kind of complete numbskull comes to a firefighter website, with a handfull of FDNY firefighters as members, and presumes to tell those that were there what actually happened.

                            Personally these conspiracy guys make me want to ****ing puke. They come here and spread their vile nonsense amongst people that have not one inkling of interest in what they have to say. Again, until any of you have the BALLS to walk into an FDNY firehouse, particularly some of those with the greatest losses of guys, and talk about your beliefs you are nothing but pot stirring bitches not worthy of calling yourself firefighters.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                              Chitown...

                              Why did you delete your name from your fantasy letter you never sent?

                              You are a phony.
                              '

                              I think his real screen name has an S starting it... and any other Brother from Chicago should treat you like a pariah...

                              Don... I'm puking right along side of you, Brother.
                              Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 04-03-2009, 12:33 AM.
                              ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                              Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                              • #75


                                I think this pretty much sums up how I feel.

                                Rpb

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