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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    I have done something that I have never done before. But these mutts called me out.

    I just fired off an email to the Chief of the Seattle FD inviting him to visit this forum. I asked him, that since these mutts were representing themselves as Seattle Fire Fighters, is their behavior condoned and endorsed by the Seattle Fire Department?

    I generally would discourage someone from doing this. But, since they called me out, I thought that the admin. of the Seattle FD ought to be aware of the manner in which these three mutts are representing the other 1,000 members who serve proudly.

    I realize that some of you won't like what I did. Too bad.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by RainierTruckie View Post
    Hi Vin,

    Beautiful post dude. To watch the re-interview, it certainly does seem that Lloyde England was lying, doesn't it? It does seem ridiculous to claim that a light pole slammed into his windshield, and penetrated all the way to the back seat after being hit by a passing jetliner, without creating any damage to the hood, doesn't it? Thanks for the education.

    It is interesting that none of the "professional debunkers" here have responded to your post. My guess is that they missed it because of the 24-96 hour lag time between when you hit "Submit Reply", to when it actually hit the board. Once you get a few posts under your belt the Mods will move you up to "insta-post" status.

    In the meantime let me help our friends out by quoting your post in it's entirety...

    Lt Tony, c'mon dude, this is your "Dodge". Vin posted a pretty solid argument that the Pentagon attack was bogus. I think it deserves a fair debate.

    All this to call all the first responders who went to the pentagon liars. They found airplane parts (large ones) and actually found pieces of uniforms...

    And you expect us to believe they are all lying?

    What a load of crap.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    but all I see in him is a guy who drops in with a two sentence post here and there that he hasn't even taken the time to spell check.
    Boy Sherlock, you sure have me pegged, don't you?

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  • CaptainGonzo
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    Originally posted by RainierTruckie View Post
    Once again we are seeing complete ignorance of what the word "troll" means. I have previously addressed this misconception in posts #52 & #149.

    Lt. Tony started this thread. This is his "Dodge". The "conspiracy theorists" have simply responded to the thread that he created. The fact that he actually took the time to start this thread indicates to me that he wanted to generate a discussion with us. Is there any other logical way to see it?

    If there is a "troll" here, it is Lt Tony, yet we have no desire to paint him as a "troll". In my view, he is simply a guy who started a thread.

    He had every right to do this, and we have every right to respond.

    We welcome this discussion. Keep it coming.
    My post was directed at VinDickheadcator911.

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  • RainierTruckie
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    The sound of silence can be as deafeing as the clap of thunder....

    Go away, troll.
    Once again we are seeing complete ignorance of what the word "troll" means. I have previously addressed this misconception in posts #52 & #149.

    Lt. Tony started this thread. This is his "Dodge". The "conspiracy theorists" have simply responded to the thread that he created. The fact that he actually took the time to start this thread indicates to me that he wanted to generate a discussion with us. Is there any other logical way to see it?

    If there is a "troll" here, it is Lt Tony, yet we have no desire to paint him as a "troll". In my view, he is simply a guy who started a thread.

    He had every right to do this, and we have every right to respond.

    We welcome this discussion. Keep it coming.

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  • NYsentinel
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    Correction:

    Google "Richard Gage Still For Dollars"

    Really good skeptic site JREF

    They may be on (the otherside) of the
    issue but they truly watch the "players"


    Paul Isaac ( sentinel )

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  • RainierTruckie
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    Originally posted by DaveHouston View Post
    Hi guys,

    If you have a look over there you'll see that almost everyone appreciates seeing you guys set Eric and his followers straight...
    Dave,

    I don't think any logical assessment of the discussion here could come to the conclusion that we have "been set straight". There are essentially only 2 posters here who have chosen to spend enough time at the keyboard to engage Erik in a meaningful debate, Lt Tony and ChiefKN. George Wendt gets a bunch of credit here, but all I see in him is a guy who drops in with a two sentence post here and there that he hasn't even taken the time to spell check. George has almost 12,000 posts as I write this, and it's easy to see why; He's like the teenager who likes to see how many texts he can send in a month.

    I'll tell you a secret, there aren't really any truth movement people being won over to the mainstream view of the world. There are, however, many mainstream people experiencing the "political awakening" that brings them to the truth movement. This is a situation where "any press is good press". If anything, this thread has provided additional momentum to the truth movement within the fire service. It certainly has boosted internet traffic to the Firefighters for 9-11 truth website.

    For that, we thank you.
    Last edited by RainierTruckie; 05-13-2009, 02:16 PM. Reason: add

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  • FWDbuff
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    Originally posted by VinDicator911 View Post
    Well I will take the silence as a sign of acceptance that this proves 9/11 an inside job.
    No, it's because my mother taught me to ignore *********s.

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  • CaptainGonzo
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    Originally posted by VinDicator911 View Post
    Well I will take the silence as a sign of acceptance that this proves 9/11 an inside job.

    The sound of silence can be as deafening as the clap of thunder....

    Go away, troll.
    Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 05-13-2009, 12:54 PM.

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  • RainierTruckie
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    Originally posted by VinDicator911 View Post
    Hello all, I didn't realize my post was admitted into the thread so I just popped into to see if we can spark some discussion.

    ChiefKN, since you did not reply to my post, would you like to explain how the plane hit the light poles and the pentagon, while approaching from the north side of the former Citgo gas station?
    Hi Vin,

    Beautiful post dude. To watch the re-interview, it certainly does seem that Lloyde England was lying, doesn't it? It does seem ridiculous to claim that a light pole slammed into his windshield, and penetrated all the way to the back seat after being hit by a passing jetliner, without creating any damage to the hood, doesn't it? Thanks for the education.

    It is interesting that none of the "professional debunkers" here have responded to your post. My guess is that they missed it because of the 24-96 hour lag time between when you hit "Submit Reply", to when it actually hit the board. Once you get a few posts under your belt the Mods will move you up to "insta-post" status.

    In the meantime let me help our friends out by quoting your post in it's entirety...

    Lt Tony, c'mon dude, this is your "Dodge". Vin posted a pretty solid argument that the Pentagon attack was bogus. I think it deserves a fair debate.

    Originally posted by VinDictator
    Hello All,

    I just ran across this thread being talked about on another site. Although I can understand everyone's displeasure with 9/11 conspiracy theories I think you should pay special attention to this information or evidence that I think you are all unaware of.

    Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) bypassed all the theorizing about the Pentagon attack and went out to Arlington, VA to painstakingly and forensically track where the attack jet flew or if there was a plane at all in order to put the theories to rest and to figure out exactly what happened.

    To give you a brief summation:

    One of the details they were looking to confirm or refute was a comment made by Sgt William Lagasse of the Pentagon police force. In an e-mail, he had told another researcher that he was on the starboard side of the plane while refueling his patrol cruiser at the former Citgo gas station.

    This would mean the plane approached on the north side of the gas station which would be fatal to the official story and the story told by the cab driver.

    To cut to the chase, CIT not only confirmed this fact but corroborated it with 12 other people nearly all recorded or filmed on location. They were all adamant and emphatic in the fact that plane was on the north side of the gas station. In fact, one witness indicated that the plane pulled up into an ascent over the highway, essentially right before the wall. This clearly meant the plane did not and could not hit, because the plane HAS TO BE on the south side of the gas station in order to: hit the light poles,which in turn hits the cab (pole #1), to show up low and level as the grainy object in the video does, to hit the fence/gen trailer with it's right engine/wing, skim into the 1st and under the 2nd floor causing the directional internal damage leading to the C ring hole, and to match the very anomalous and irreconcilable flight data/lat long points from the plane's black box. The directional damage lines up exclusively with a plane on the south side ONLY.

    The official story damage/flight path, endorsed by gov't, as described above:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdj...eature=related

    To boot, CIT even obtained an account from a Pentagon police officer, Roosevelt Roberts, who saw THE plane flying away literally AFTER the explosion on the other side of the alleged impact point. This is the only thing the plane could have done after approaching on the north side of the gas station.

    After first obtaining an interview with the cab driver and confirming his absurd and impossible story of an entire light pole spearing his cab without so much as even scratching his hood, CIT then ended up obtaining all the north of the Citgo flight path witness accounts thus proving he wasn't telling the truth because the plane was nowhere near the poles, ESPECIALLY his pole (#1). So CIT went back and re-interviewed and interrogated him. At one point, off camera when he didn't know he was being recorded and once he realized CIT knew the truth, he subtley admitted involvement:

    Quote:
    "One thing about it you gotta understand something when people do things and get away with it, you - eventually its gonna come to me; and when it comes to me its going to be so big I can't do nothing about it."

    ~Pentagon Taxi Cab Driver Lloyde England
    The majority of these witnesses are now afraid to talk after being made aware of the implications of what they saw. Keep in mind, the reason they were willing to talk was because they were so successfully fooled. After watching CIT's presentation, Sgt Brooks said CIT's findings were an "eye-opener" and "anything is possible" when it comes to him being fooled that day. I know your knee-jerk reaction is to laugh at this and dismiss it with a hand-wave (which is why the operation was so successful). You will probably post links to "hundreds" of witnesses who "saw" the plane "hit" the building. But many of you will be surprised to learn that many of these witnesses merely DEDUCED an impact because they saw a plane go by and then saw smoke or a fireball rise in the distance. Many alleged "witnesses" have VERY dubious connections coupled with improbable timing of being in the right place at the right time as can be proven. Many of you will ask where are all of the witnesses to a "flyover/away", but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is evidence for other genuine witnesses who saw this event happen, but as you will see with officer Roosevelt Roberts and others, many are afraid of the possible repercussions of coming forward. Regardless, an unanalyzed compilation of static media accounts/blurbs is not counter evidence when considering that CIT went out and independently verified and corroborated this very simple right or left/black or white detail while also confirming or denying details from said static media accounts/blurbs.

    Here is what we are talking about:
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...loydandNoC.jpg

    Here is the re-interview/interrogation with Lloyde England the cab driver:
    http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm

    All of the witnesses, including flyover/flyaway witness, Roosevelt Roberts:
    http://thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm

    The police officers by themselves:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKov_UZDQE

    Gif of Citgo Employee describing pull-up ascent:
    http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...bertpullup.gif

    CIT has also interviewed victims, cameramen, rescue/recovery, and firefighters like this one who they will be revealing in their upcoming presentations. He is a now a retired ACFD captain who was there that day inside the Pentagon and has been on 5 plane crashes including the Air Florida crash in his 29 years of service. He DOES NOT believe a 757 hit the Pentagon.

    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../FireCapn1.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../FireCapn2.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../FireCapn3.jpg

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  • NYsentinel
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    Need further evidence?

    Google: "Richard Gage Fraud"

    Or

    Google: "JREF / Richard Gage looking for Dollars"


    Paul Isaac (Sentinel)
    FDNY Aux/Lt 18 years

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  • NYsentinel
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    Message Alert Re: subject

    Goodmorning,

    I am sending a massege to alert everyone to a scam to commit
    fraud regaing mr lawyer and his ASSociates.

    1. Richard Gage is a lying POS. Google: "take an architech to lunch"
    Why would such a prominate architech be looking to "market" 911?

    2.Why didnt Erik do his homework before getting associated with a
    suspicious group bent on defrauding the public?

    3. Numerous notices have been sent to Erik regarding this subject
    with no responses what so ever.
    3A. Had he really done his homework or noticed the numerous
    Email sent to him he would have seen the connection between
    his associates and the suspicious death of the son of
    FDNY Lt Roberts Wallace (911 RIP) Danny Wallace who died in 2007.
    Like how the group Wearechange use the memory of Dannys father
    to gain access to VIPs. Really nice how poor Danny ex fiance Sabrina
    (ms piggy) has been intimate in public with dannys bestest good buddy
    Luke (puke) Rodkowski of Wearechange NY. I was at Dannys wake and tribute and Im sorry but by the way this two mutts were carrying on it must have
    going on before poor dannys passing. Funny how sabrina was firston scene
    when he passed. Even funnier how shes controlling the money with the group
    now. They are now being investigatef for gaining access with fake press passes Google: "activist arrested for asking bloomberg a question"

    Seems either mr erik lawyer doesnt know who he ASSociating himself with
    or he really doesnt care the this group isnt about truth just celebrity BS.

    Dont worry all relevant information has been forwarded to the FBI/NY for the follow up.


    Thanks Erik for making plain as day what you stand with and for

    Really great show

    For the record:

    I was present at the north tower collapse.
    I support a new investigation
    I am a heavy researcher into 911
    I have been the victim of fraud by Eriks friends
    Theres plenty of evidence on the net (cause i put it there) to show
    what these people are about and will gladly place it here to stop the BS
    once and for all, period

    Thank you


    Paul Isaac Jr ( sentinel)
    FDNY Auxiliary Fire Corps Aux/Lt
    E207 E294 E10
    Former NYPD Aux/Po#12017 Reg#438136 61pct 17pct
    New York Civil Defense Forces

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  • DarkTruth
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    I'm sickened by the people here who claim to be firefighters and attack the heroes behind Firefighters For 9/11 Truth with thinly veiled threats and insults.

    The most hilarious 'debunking argument' I've heard here is that the NFPA documents aren't meant to investigate a terrorist attack -- they DO relate directly to this one, though, when we look at the evidence. They are for investigating fire/explosion events -- therefore, they are relevant to the 9/11 WTC collapses. We will lecture you on NFPA all you want, because we are obviously understanding some pretty obvious points in it.

    God Bless Erik Lawyer and the other firefighters behind Firefighters For 9/11 Truth

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  • VinDicator911
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    Silence speaking volumes

    Well I will take the silence as a sign of acceptance that this proves 9/11 an inside job.

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  • VinDicator911
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Apparent anomalies that seem to nourish their theories are brandished excitedly; testimony that undermines their theories – like witnesses of a large plane hitting the Pentagon -- is contemptuously brushed aside.[/B]
    Hello all, I didn't realize my post was admitted into the thread so I just popped into to see if we can spark some discussion.

    ChiefKN, since you did not reply to my post, would you like to explain how the plane hit the light poles and the pentagon, while approaching from the north side of the former Citgo gas station?

    Leave a comment:

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