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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    I just hurt myself. I fell off the chair laughing. This friggin' moron is lecturing ME about NFPA 921. ME!

    You may not be hear to name call and insult, but I am. You are a loser, pal. I challenge you to walk into anyf firehouse in NYC and spew this nonsense. Just make sure that you leave good info as to what you want done with your remains (not a threat, but a prediction).

    And, just so I fit into your little model, here...I was standing with several hundred other fire fighters outside Manhattan Community College when 7 fell. I watched it, heard it, smelled it and saw it fall. You are 100% completely, totally positvely wrong on every single count.

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  • ShuckingGome
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    Originally posted by koolaid1 View Post
    (this is a repost due to a 1 day delay)

    Hello my Brothers – I am here to take some heat, respond to the questions, assumptions, and answer any questions anyone may have.

    I am not here to name call, make it personal, or “convince” you.

    I’m here to raise awareness, and challenge you to remove the emotion and really look at the evidence objectively.

    If anybody is interested, you can read my Mayday letter to see how I went "cuckoo cuckoo." http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=300

    For years I believed the "official story" and aggressively defended it. I read Popular Mechanics and watched all the specials that went over the cause of collapse. I refused to listen to my Lt., told him he was crazy, and should leave the country. I really didn't listen to any of what I thought were "whack jobs/liberals/9-11 twoofers" until a buddy of mine who is a West Point grad non-emotionally opened my eyes.

    Trust me, I know how most of you feel. I was there myself just 1 year ago. I didn’t objectively look at the evidence until March of 2008. And, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think the survival of our Country and our Constitution depends on us "waking up" and standing up together. You should check out www.Patriotsquestion911.com to see how many high ranking military officers, intelligence officers, etc are saying the same thing. I personally know many of them now, and trust me when I say their Patriotism and loyalty to the U.S.A. is SOLID, as is mine. When we have that many brothers who have been on the inside saying we have “domestic enemies” I take it seriously because I took an oath years ago pledging I would defend the Constitution against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” If you took that Oath, you too should, at the very least, objectively inform yourself.

    As far as a "franchise"...no, that is not true. We came up with the name (because of Pilots and Architects for 911 truth). I, and a few other firefighters, built the site and funded it - we did not get ANY money from any political group-nor do I side with any political group now.

    As far as "he promotes misinformation like, "Building #7 collapsed with no structural damage and miniscule fire damage. Why aren’t our fellow firefighters asking why?"" – This was a comment by a Battalion Chief in response to my letter– it is not in our posts. And – if you haven’t seen it yet, you should read the NIST final report on the cause of collapse of Tower 7 that came out in 2008. It contradicts what Popular Mechanics had claimed caused collapse. Then compare this to the Beijing Mandarin fire and the Windsor Building and honestly explain why they didn’t have the same complications from “thermal expansion.” And, look at WTC 3, 4, 5, and 6 that all stood with even greater fire and debris damage.

    As far as "NFPA 921 is not an outline for investigating a terrorism incident" - Is there another National Standards Guideline for building fires due to Terrorism that we are unaware of? Tower 7 was not struck by an aircraft. Plus, if you haven’t read it yet, NFPA 921 does mention terrorism. And, honestly ask yourself why N.I.S.T. refused to test for explosives even though terrorists used explosives in ’93, there was molten steel and concrete, there were 118 first responders who heard explosions, Barry Jennings NYC Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator was blown down by an explosion in WTC 7, there are audio recordings of explosions. Think about it – we would test a house fire for accelerants if we had those types of indicators. Shouldn’t we be even more thorough on the first high rise collapses, that caused the death of so many? Can anybody legitimately explain why a simple test that could have put this all to bed was so aggressively avoided?

    As far as “To me the continual conspiracy nonsense serves only to dishonor those that died heros AND innocent victims that day.” My intention is not to dishonor any of our Brothers or civilians who were murdered. I have the utmost respect for them. We have many surviving family members who have sent us letters of support and thanks. And, consider for a moment…what if all these military officers, insiders, and even FBI agents who have spoken out are right….isn’t it a much greater dishonor to allow this to be covered up?

    If you’ve read this far – thank you.

    Respectfully,
    Erik Lawyer
    [email protected] rg

    I don't think you're crazy or a nut job. I think there are a lot more questions then answers when it comes to 9/11 and I think if the government was being truthful in their account of what happened on 9/11 then they would be completely open and willing to discuss what happened. But they're not. You have my support. I think it is our jobs as US citizens to question authority and to think for ourselves, and to be awake and aware.

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  • koolaid1
    replied
    a response from the KoolAid drinker/whacko

    (this is a repost due to a 1 day delay)

    Hello my Brothers – I am here to take some heat, respond to the questions, assumptions, and answer any questions anyone may have.

    I am not here to name call, make it personal, or “convince” you.

    I’m here to raise awareness, and challenge you to remove the emotion and really look at the evidence objectively.

    If anybody is interested, you can read my Mayday letter to see how I went "cuckoo cuckoo." http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=300

    For years I believed the "official story" and aggressively defended it. I read Popular Mechanics and watched all the specials that went over the cause of collapse. I refused to listen to my Lt., told him he was crazy, and should leave the country. I really didn't listen to any of what I thought were "whack jobs/liberals/9-11 twoofers" until a buddy of mine who is a West Point grad non-emotionally opened my eyes.

    Trust me, I know how most of you feel. I was there myself just 1 year ago. I didn’t objectively look at the evidence until March of 2008. And, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think the survival of our Country and our Constitution depends on us "waking up" and standing up together. You should check out www.Patriotsquestion911.com to see how many high ranking military officers, intelligence officers, etc are saying the same thing. I personally know many of them now, and trust me when I say their Patriotism and loyalty to the U.S.A. is SOLID, as is mine. When we have that many brothers who have been on the inside saying we have “domestic enemies” I take it seriously because I took an oath years ago pledging I would defend the Constitution against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” If you took that Oath, you too should, at the very least, objectively inform yourself.

    As far as a "franchise"...no, that is not true. We came up with the name (because of Pilots and Architects for 911 truth). I, and a few other firefighters, built the site and funded it - we did not get ANY money from any political group-nor do I side with any political group now.

    As far as "he promotes misinformation like, "Building #7 collapsed with no structural damage and miniscule fire damage. Why aren’t our fellow firefighters asking why?"" – This was a comment by a Battalion Chief in response to my letter– it is not in our posts. And – if you haven’t seen it yet, you should read the NIST final report on the cause of collapse of Tower 7 that came out in 2008. It contradicts what Popular Mechanics had claimed caused collapse. Then compare this to the Beijing Mandarin fire and the Windsor Building and honestly explain why they didn’t have the same complications from “thermal expansion.” And, look at WTC 3, 4, 5, and 6 that all stood with even greater fire and debris damage.

    As far as "NFPA 921 is not an outline for investigating a terrorism incident" - Is there another National Standards Guideline for building fires due to Terrorism that we are unaware of? Tower 7 was not struck by an aircraft. Plus, if you haven’t read it yet, NFPA 921 does mention terrorism. And, honestly ask yourself why N.I.S.T. refused to test for explosives even though terrorists used explosives in ’93, there was molten steel and concrete, there were 118 first responders who heard explosions, Barry Jennings NYC Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator was blown down by an explosion in WTC 7, there are audio recordings of explosions. Think about it – we would test a house fire for accelerants if we had those types of indicators. Shouldn’t we be even more thorough on the first high rise collapses, that caused the death of so many? Can anybody legitimately explain why a simple test that could have put this all to bed was so aggressively avoided?

    As far as “To me the continual conspiracy nonsense serves only to dishonor those that died heros AND innocent victims that day.” My intention is not to dishonor any of our Brothers or civilians who were murdered. I have the utmost respect for them. We have many surviving family members who have sent us letters of support and thanks. And, consider for a moment…what if all these military officers, insiders, and even FBI agents who have spoken out are right….isn’t it a much greater dishonor to allow this to be covered up?

    If you’ve read this far – thank you.

    Respectfully,
    Erik Lawyer
    [email protected] rg

    Leave a comment:


  • BryanLoader
    replied
    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    As long as I don't consort with degenerates.... WAIT a minute...

    I might be in trouble then.



    What's that old saying?

    "Dont tell my mom I work for the Fire Department! She thinks i'm a piano player at a whorehouse".
    Yep if you've got a morals clause in your parole Ken, definitely do not confess to membership on here.

    Leave a comment:


  • LtTony
    replied
    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    Truth be told the only firefighters that I give a damn about what they have to say about 9-11 is the ones that were there. In my mind the FDNY guys have said what they have to say about it and that is good enough for me.

    To me the continual conspiracy nonsense serves only to dishonor those that died heros AND innocent victims that day. That a firefighter is responsible for another conspiracy website is simply despicable to me.
    Absolutely agree. I have challenged these whacks to contact FDNY firefighters about what happened that day. The typical reply is a youtube vid where a NY fireman is saying, "It was like a huge explosion when the tower went down."

    LIKE an explosion, knothead, LIKE an explosion. He is NOT saying it WAS an explosion that brought those buildings down.

    That is why I am so disturbed that there is some fireman behind a website implying that there are many in our profession who believe the conspiracy baloney.

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  • Dickey
    replied
    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I got to this section and quit:



    NFPA 921 is not an outline for investigating a terrorism incident. It is a guideline for investigating fires and explosions. It would not be appropriate for this type of incident.

    Also, the definitions and sections cited are grossly taken out of context for self-serving reasons.

    These folks are flippin' nut jobs.
    No kidding!!! I totally stopped reading too when I got to this. Great minds right?

    Anyway, yes, totally inappropriate for the situation.

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  • koolaid1
    replied
    a response from The KoolAid drinker/whacko

    Hello my Brothers – I am here to take some heat, respond to the questions, assumptions, and answer any questions anyone may have.

    I am not here to name call, make it personal, or “convince” you.

    I’m here to raise awareness, and challenge you to remove the emotion and really look at the evidence objectively.

    If anybody is interested, you can read my Mayday letter to see how I went "cuckoo cuckoo." http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=300

    For years I believed the "official story" and aggressively defended it. I read Popular Mechanics and watched all the specials that went over the cause of collapse. I refused to listen to my Lt., told him he was crazy, and should leave the country. I really didn't listen to any of what I thought were "whack jobs/liberals/9-11 twoofers" until a buddy of mine who is a West Point grad non-emotionally opened my eyes.

    Trust me, I know how most of you feel. I was there myself just 1 year ago. I didn’t objectively look at the evidence until March of 2008. And, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think the survival of our Country and our Constitution depends on us "waking up" and standing up together. You should check out www.Patriotsquestion911.com to see how many high ranking military officers, intelligence officers, etc are saying the same thing. I personally know many of them now, and trust me when I say their Patriotism and loyalty to the U.S.A. is SOLID, as is mine. When we have that many brothers who have been on the inside saying we have “domestic enemies” I take it seriously because I took an oath years ago pledging I would defend the Constitution against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” If you took that Oath, you too should, at the very least, objectively inform yourself.

    As far as a "franchise"...no, that is not true. We came up with the name (because of Pilots and Architects for 911 truth). I, and a few other firefighters, built the site and funded it - we did not get ANY money from any political group-nor do I side with any political group now.

    As far as "he promotes misinformation like, "Building #7 collapsed with no structural damage and miniscule fire damage. Why aren’t our fellow firefighters asking why?"" – This was a comment by a Battalion Chief in response to my letter– it is not in our posts. And – if you haven’t seen it yet, you should read the NIST final report on the cause of collapse of Tower 7 that came out in 2008. It contradicts what Popular Mechanics had claimed caused collapse. Then compare this to the Beijing Mandarin fire and the Windsor Building and honestly explain why they didn’t have the same complications from “thermal expansion.” And, look at WTC 3, 4, 5, and 6 that all stood with even greater fire and debris damage.

    As far as "NFPA 921 is not an outline for investigating a terrorism incident" - Is there another National Standards Guideline for building fires due to Terrorism that we are unaware of? Tower 7 was not struck by an aircraft. Plus, if you haven’t read it yet, NFPA 921 does mention terrorism. And, honestly ask yourself why N.I.S.T. refused to test for explosives even though terrorists used explosives in ’93, there was molten steel and concrete, there were 118 first responders who heard explosions, Barry Jennings NYC Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator was blown down by an explosion in WTC 7, there are audio recordings of explosions. Think about it – we would test a house fire for accelerants if we had those types of indicators. Shouldn’t we be even more thorough on the first high rise collapses, that caused the death of so many? Can anybody legitimately explain why a simple test that could have put this all to bed was so aggressively avoided?

    As far as “To me the continual conspiracy nonsense serves only to dishonor those that died heros AND innocent victims that day.” My intention is not to dishonor any of our Brothers or civilians who were murdered. I have the utmost respect for them. We have many surviving family members who have sent us letters of support and thanks. And, consider for a moment…what if all these military officers, insiders, and even FBI agents who have spoken out are right….isn’t it a much greater dishonor to allow this to be covered up?

    If you’ve read this far – thank you.

    Respectfully,
    Erik Lawyer
    [email protected]

    Leave a comment:


  • FyredUp
    replied
    Truth be told the only firefighters that I give a damn about what they have to say about 9-11 is the ones that were there. In my mind the FDNY guys have said what they have to say about it and that is good enough for me.

    To me the continual conspiracy nonsense serves only to dishonor those that died heros AND innocent victims that day. That a firefighter is responsible for another conspiracy website is simply despicable to me.

    Leave a comment:


  • LtTony
    replied
    "Taken out of context" is a creed with conspiracists and terrorist sympathizers, George.

    But as far as the expense of the website... I don't think the cost would be out of reach for most people. It is more like a "....for9/11truth.org" franchise operated by far left or far right, lunatic fringe groups, or jihadists or klansmen. Those types of "people" would be tickled to pay the freight to undermine our nation. There are pilotsfor9/11truth, architectsfor..., etc. It's a franchise.

    But if you look at these sites' forums, they absolutely no following whatsoever. Thank God.

    According to the guy's webpage, "I told conspiracy theorists like my own Truck Officer, Lt. Earl Emerson, that they were insane if they thought anyone other than the terrorists did this..." It appears that Erik has gone insane.

    And I'm sorry, but I have no respect for him as a professional when he promotres misinformation like, "Building #7 collapsed with no structural damage and miniscule fire damage. Why aren’t our fellow firefighters asking why?"

    We all know why, mark.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
    replied
    I got to this section and quit:

    NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) 921, which is the National Standard for Fire and Explosion Investigations, very clearly indicates in numerous sections that the possibility of explosives should have been thoroughly investigated. Specifically in NFPA 921 18.3.2 High Order Damage - “High-order damage is characterized by shattering of the structure, producing small, pulverized debris. Walls, roofs, and structural members are splintered or shattered, with the building completely demolished. Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet. High-order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.” World Trade Center’s 1, 2, and 7 all clearly met this definition; therefore they should have been thoroughly investigated and analyzed for explosives. Specifically, the use of “exotic accelerants” should have been investigated. In NFPA 921 19.2.4 -”Exotic Accelerants,” three indicators were clearly met that should have led to a thorough investigation in to the possible use of “exotic accelerants,” specifically as stated in the guideline, “Thermite mixtures.”

    So, why was the possibility of explosives, controlled demolition, or the use of “exotic accelerants” not thoroughly investigated, or even mentioned in the 9-11 Commission Report?

    Firefighters for 9-11 Truth demand the following:

    A truly independent investigation with Subpoena and Contempt Powers to uncover the complete truth of the events related to 9/11/2001 – specifically the collapse of WTC Tower 7 and the possibility of explosive demolition.
    The investigation to follow the national standards so clearly outlined in the National Fire Protection Association guidelines, specifically, NFPA 921 to include thorough analysis of the steel for the presence of “exotic accelerants.”
    Congress to honor the promises made to the rescue workers of 9/11 by passing the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2008.
    Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the planning, and execution of the murders committed on September 11, 2001.
    Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the Obstruction of Justice and Destruction of Evidence surrounding the events of September 11, 2001.
    NFPA 921 is not an outline for investigating a terrorism incident. It is a guideline for investigating fires and explosions. It would not be appropriate for this type of incident.

    Also, the definitions and sections cited are grossly taken out of context for self-serving reasons.

    These folks are flippin' nut jobs.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
    replied
    Nice try.

    That is a very elaborate and expensive website to put up and maintain. The content is highly inflammatory. It is difficult for me to understand how a guy could be influenced by his officer to go out and do this.

    Methinks there is a tad more to the story.

    But it is admirable that you would try to protect your brother FF and get us to drop this thread.

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  • ffbam24
    replied
    My buddy tells me, "Great guy and one hell of a fire fighter but that shift has been drinking the conspiracy cool aid from one of their officers."

    Not worth anymore effort here.
    Let this thread die.

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  • ChiefKN
    replied
    Originally posted by Dickey View Post
    Just nothing that violates your parole......


    As long as I don't consort with degenerates.... WAIT a minute...

    I might be in trouble then.



    What's that old saying?

    "Dont tell my mom I work for the Fire Department! She thinks i'm a piano player at a whorehouse".

    Leave a comment:


  • Dickey
    replied
    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Good grief.

    I can't even type what I want in reply.
    Just nothing that violates your parole......






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  • ChiefKN
    replied
    Good grief.

    I can't even type what I want in reply.

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