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  • FWDbuff
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    Originally posted by koolaid1 View Post
    As I said, I'm not here to make it personal.

    The only legitimate question I saw - was about molten concrete.
    Here's a video of what it looks like.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2...layer_embedded That is not molten concrete. That is a block of concrete that has solidified (if it indeed was molten once upon a time.) Also lets not mention the fact that the video you posted was so childishly edited and put together that I give it no credibility whatsoever. My question still stands: What does MOLTEN CONCRETE look like? What is the temperature of MOLTEN CONCRETE? Does it flow like lava? Does it glow red?

    I have a legitimate question for any fire investigator. Is there a valid reason why when we have a history of terrorists using explosives in '93, we have so many witnesses to explosions, Where? Produce them. we have temperatures that are not produced by hydrocarbon fires,40,000 pounds of Jet-A isn't a hydrocarbon fire? and audio recordings of explosions.Where? produce them. ...that N.I.S.T. would not test for exotic accelerants?Because there is nothing to test for. Now take the tinfoil hat off your head and allow your brain cells to have the oxygen you are depriving them of.
    ...........And before you post, I said PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE. Dont give me links, dont give me theories, dont give me babble. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.

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  • koolaid1
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    Originally posted by LtTony View Post
    "...we have so many witnesses to explosions, we have temperatures that are not produced by hydrocarbon fires, and audio recordings of explosions..."

    WTF??? What witnesses to explosions? What recordings of so-called explosions? Elaborate on your alleged breakthrough on fire temps.

    I've only been around one other FF you swallows what you swallow. He is generally considered possibly the oddest and most foolish guy guy in the 600-person dept., even with the 9/11 crap.

    I ashamed of you.
    I challenge most of you to look at our website before all the name calling. Have the courage to re-examine the evidence and your beliefs.

    We have this priceless opportunity (until the lock) to have some fun. We can whack this fool in the head and watch to see what happens next. When it dies down, we whack him again. It would be an unbelievable thing to watch
    You should really ask yourself why you have the desire to jump on the dogpile. What are you afraid of? You're reacting out of emotion - not facts. There is a reason.

    Debate me on the facts - not your beliefs about "conspiracy theorists"

    Watch these:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvrK...layer_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Liv...layer_embedded

    If you really want evidence on temps...let me know - I'll provide those too.

    Now remember guys, I'm talking about the investigation. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO RULE OUT THAT TERRORISTS DID NOT PLANT EXPLOSIVES IN ADDITION TO THE AIRPLANE STRIKES?...THEY USED THEM ON WTC1 IN 1993.
    This is an easy test. Third parties tested for them and found them!! NIST refuses to this day to test for explosives.

    Here's just a few quotes from the transcripts: If you want more...there's plenty more.

    F.D.N.Y. ASST. COMMISSIONER STEPHEN GREGORY:
    “I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before Number Two came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him…I saw a flash-flash-flash, and then it looked like the building came down.”

    FIREFIGHTER GEORGE KOZLOWSKI:
    “We made it around the corner and that’s when the **** hit the fan, right then and there. We heard that loud ‘Ba-Boom!’ I just - it was like an earthquake, or whatever; a giant, giant explosion. Then this big gust came and I just went flying – maybe thirty, forty feet – tumbling. I got up, got on my hands and knees, because all of that white **** was all over me. I just kept crawling. My ears were like, deaf, you know?

    MARK STEFFENS, DIVISION CHIEF, E.M.S.:
    “Then there was another it sounded like an explosion and heavy white powder, papers, flying everywhere. We sat put there for a few minutes. It kind of dissipated.”

    “That’s when we heard this massive explosion and I saw this thing rolling towards us. It looked like a fireball and then thick, thick black smoke.”


    KEITH MURPHY, F.D.N.Y.:
    “I was standing kind of on the edge of where our elevator bank met the big elevator bank. That was when the - I determined that’s when the north tower collapses. We are standing there and the first thing that happened, which I still think is strange to me, the lights went out. Completely pitch black. Since we are in that core little area of the building, there is no natural light. No nothing, I didn’t see a thing. I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard a distant ‘boom-boom-boom, sounded like three explosions. I don’t know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was ‘boom-boom-boom’ and then the lights all go out. I hear someone say oh, ****, that was just for the lights out. I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of a sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in a tunnel with the train coming at you.”


    Steve Evans, Reporter for BBC:
    “I was at the base of the second tower, the second tower that was hit. There was an explosion…the base of the building shook. I felt it shake…then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions.”

    Fox 5 News, New York (Reporting LIVE):
    “There is an explosion at the base of the building…white smoke from the bottom…something has happened at the base of the building…”


    I can provide you with more audio, video and transcripts if you like.
    I challenge you - LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE YOURSELF - DON'T REPEAT WHAT YOU HEAR FROM THE MEDIA.

    Here's the link to the Governments site on the evidence they have. Have the courage to look.

    http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...aoui/exhibits/

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  • LtTony
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    Originally posted by ShuckingGome View Post
    I don't think you're crazy or a nut job. I think there are a lot more questions then answers when it comes to 9/11 and I think if the government was being truthful in their account of what happened on 9/11 then they would be completely open and willing to discuss what happened. But they're not. You have my support. I think it is our jobs as US citizens to question authority and to think for ourselves, and to be awake and aware.
    You make me sick, too. What friggin' questions are unanswered? And I mean significant questions, not absurd details that are never 100% answered any ANY large fire.

    How has the government not been completely open? I mean exactly. I want specific information and citations. Not what you think happened.

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  • LtTony
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    Originally posted by koolaid1 View Post
    As I said, I'm not here to make it personal.

    The only legitimate question I saw - was about molten concrete.
    Here's a video of what it looks like.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2...layer_embedded

    I have a legitimate question for any fire investigator. Is there a valid reason why when we have a history of terrorists using explosives in '93, we have so many witnesses to explosions, we have temperatures that are not produced by hydrocarbon fires, and audio recordings of explosions....that N.I.S.T. would not test for exotic accelerants?

    "...we have so many witnesses to explosions, we have temperatures that are not produced by hydrocarbon fires, and audio recordings of explosions..."

    WTF??? What witnesses to explosions? What recordings of so-called explosions? Elaborate on your alleged breakthrough on fire temps.

    I've only been around one other FF you swallows what you swallow. He is generally considered possibly the oddest and most foolish guy guy in the 600-person dept., even without the 9/11 crap.

    I ashamed of you.
    Last edited by LtTony; 04-01-2009, 01:38 AM.

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  • sts060
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    What I love (for want of a better word) about conspiracy loons is the utter consistency of their inconsistency. WTC 7 collapsed? Proof of the conspiracy! A building in Beijing, built after 9/11/01 and incorporating its lessons learned, with different construction and undamaged by a quarter-mile skyscraper falling against it, didn't collapse? Proof of the conspiracy!

    It's also a mind (again, for want of a better word) set beautifully impervious to the simple question "why?" Why did the CIA/NASA/Illuminati/Freemasons/Jews/space lizards have to blow up the Twin Towers? One supposes smashing airliners into them and killing a couple of thousand people wasn't enough to make Americans angry. They had to actually fall down. Why, then, blow up the relatively obscure WTC 7? One supposes blowing up the Twin Towers wasn't enough - they had to get rid of a building most Americans had never even heard of. Why, then, wait until everyone had been evacuated? One supposes that they didn't want to actually hurt anyone this time.

    And so it goes. Scenarios ranging from the merely implausible to the utterly insane are proposed by the conspiracy whackjobs. Never mind that the vast majority of engineers, architects, pilots, demolition experts, and yes, firefighters all dismiss them. Never mind that the alleged reasons for staging the attacks (martial law, cheap oil from Iraq, pipelines across Afghanistan, whatever) never happened. Never mind that unambiguous collapse indicators were observed at WTC 1, 2, and 7 before they fell. Never mind that the collapses only really resemble controlled demolitions in the sense that, yes, the buildings did fall down. The conspiracists will go on obsessively about the tiniest details and coincidences, while blissfully ignoring the evidence against their claims, let alone their gaping contradictions and the simple fact they flat-out make no sense to begin with.

    No, I'm not surprised that a few firefighters would be gullible, uncritical, or unstable enough to fall for this crap. There's one in very crowd, as the old saying goes, and in a country where there are still those who claim we never landed on the Moon, it's hardly surprising. Depressing, yes, but not surprising.
    Last edited by sts060; 03-31-2009, 03:59 PM. Reason: fixed typo

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  • flipper123
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    something like this?
    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DX%26um%3D1

    From a website that is discussing rocket engine testing; not exactly what happened at the WTC, so I'm not part of the conspiracy theory.
    But there is molten concrete, apparently.
    Last edited by flipper123; 03-31-2009, 12:49 AM.

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  • koolaid1
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    Question

    As I said, I'm not here to make it personal.

    The only legitimate question I saw - was about molten concrete.
    Here's a video of what it looks like.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2...layer_embedded

    I have a legitimate question for any fire investigator. Is there a valid reason why when we have a history of terrorists using explosives in '93, we have so many witnesses to explosions, we have temperatures that are not produced by hydrocarbon fires, and audio recordings of explosions....that N.I.S.T. would not test for exotic accelerants?

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  • FWDbuff
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    I still want to know what molten concrete looks like........

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    plus he was actually on site at the World Trade Center.
    I don't want to make too much out of this part. I wasn't doing anything the slightest bit dangerous.

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  • ffbam24
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    In before the LOCK!

    George,
    I only wanted this to die because it is such a frakked up opinion and IMO it doesn't need to be entertained anymore. In no way was I trying to defend this guy.

    Erik,
    You have my personal invitation to come to my firehouse or any of the others in this city to try and educate us on your whacked out, frakked up ideas you have.

    ShuckingGome,
    STFU.

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  • Dickey
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    You beat me to it George...........

    There is no NFPA or other National, or any other standard for investigating a terrorist attack with fire involving an aircraft. It was an unprecedented event, how could there be a manual for investigating it?? You moron!

    I am a fire investigator but George has forgot more about investigation than I will ever know, plus he was actually on site at the World Trade Center. I think he knows what he is talking about.

    Please leave us alone. thank you.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    What's wrong with you?

    We have this priceless opportunity (until the lock) to have some fun. We can whack this fool in the head and watch to see what happens next. When it dies down, we whack him again. It would be an unbelievable thing to watch.

    But then, you come in and start throwing around facts and logic and screw it all up. Thanks, pal.

    Sorry George. Sometimes I just lose my head and don't think of these glorious opportunities.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    koolaid1...

    No one missed your first post. Most of us here prefer not to waste our time with people like you that simply prefer to stir the pot and dismiss the word of the true Borthers that were there that day have to say. Show me the masses of FDNY firefighters that stand with you. Come on I'll wait. there are roughly 12,000 of them. Why aren't they lined up en masse to back your position? Because when you face the true facts you end up looking like just another conspiracy wack job.
    What's wrong with you?

    We have this priceless opportunity (until the lock) to have some fun. We can whack this fool in the head and watch to see what happens next. When it dies down, we whack him again. It would be an unbelievable thing to watch.

    But then, you come in and start throwing around facts and logic and screw it all up. Thanks, pal.

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  • FyredUp
    replied
    Originally posted by ShuckingGome View Post
    I don't think you're crazy or a nut job. I think there are a lot more questions then answers when it comes to 9/11 and I think if the government was being truthful in their account of what happened on 9/11 then they would be completely open and willing to discuss what happened. But they're not. You have my support. I think it is our jobs as US citizens to question authority and to think for ourselves, and to be awake and aware.
    Maybe you and koolaid1 can get together and fold aluminum foil hats together for the next meeting of conspiracy wack jobs.

    Not many here believe or want to hear what you or him believe.

    I second George's words, I dare you to walk into an FDNY firehouse and spew this vile nonsense. Please do report how that goes for you.

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  • FyredUp
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    koolaid1...

    No one missed your first post. Most of us here prefer not to waste our time with people like you that simply prefer to stir the pot and dismiss the word of the true Brothers that were there that day have to say. Show me the masses of FDNY firefighters that stand with you. Come on I'll wait. there are roughly 12,000 of them. Why aren't they lined up en masse to back your position? Because when you face the true facts you end up looking like just another conspiracy wack job.
    Last edited by FyredUp; 03-30-2009, 04:12 PM.

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