Firehouse.com Forum Rules & Guidelines

Forum Rules & Guidelines

Not Permitted or Tolerated:
• Advertising and/or links of commercial, for-profit websites, products, and/or services is not permitted. If you have a need to advertise on Firehouse.com please contact [email protected]
• Fighting/arguing
• Cyber-bullying
• Swearing
• Name-calling and/or personal attacks
• Spamming
• Typing in all CAPS
• “l33t speak” - Substituting characters for letters in an effort to represent a word or phrase. (example: M*****ive)
• Distribution of another person’s personal information, regardless of whether or not said information is public knowledge and whether or not an individual has permission to post said personal information
• Piracy advocation of any kind
• Racist, sexual, hate type defamatory, religious, political, or sexual commentary.
• Multiple forum accounts

Forum Posting Guidelines:

Posts must be on-topic, non-disruptive and relevant to the firefighting community. Post only in a mature and responsible way that contributes to the discussion at hand. Posting relevant information, helpful suggestions and/or constructive criticism is a great way to contribute to the community.

Post in the correct forum and have clear titles for your threads.

Please post in English or provide a translation.

There are moderators and admins who handle these forums with care, do not resort to self-help, instead please utilize the reporting option. Be mature and responsible for yourself and your posts. If you are offended by another member utilize the reporting option. All reported posts will be addressed and dealt with as deemed appropriate by Firehouse.com staff.

Firehouse.com Moderation Process:
Effective immediately, the following moderation process will take effect. User(s) whose posts are determined by Firehouse.com staff to be in violation of any of the rules above will EARN the following reprimand(s) in the moderation process:
1. An initial warning will be issued.
2. A Final Warning will be issued if a user is found to be in violation a second time.
3. A 3-day suspension will be issued if the user continues to break the forum rules.
4. A 45-day suspension will be issued if the user is found to be a habitual rule breaker.
5. Habitual rule breakers that have exhausted all of the above will receive a permanent life-time ban that will be strictly enforced. Reinstatement will not be allowed – there is no appeal process.

Subsequent accounts created in an effort to side-step the rules and moderation process are subject to automatic removal without notice. Firehouse.com reserves the right to expedite the reprimand process for any users as it is deemed necessary. Any user in the moderation process may be required to review and agree to by email the terms and conditions listed above before their account is re-instated (except for those that are banned).

Firehouse.com reserves the right to edit and/or remove any post or member, at any time, for any reason without notice. Firehouse.com also reserves the right to warn, suspend, and/or ban, any member, at any time, for any reason.

Firehouse.com values the active participation we have in our forums. Please ensure your posts are tasteful and tactful. Thank you very much for your cooperation.
See more
See less

Local Officials Attitudes

This topic is closed.
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Local Officials Attitudes

    Newspaper quote from a small town official:

    "It's the OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) standards that they've got to come up to. For a small town to keep up with that, it's ridiculous," said *******.

    ***** said the money would go to buy new turnout gear, additional training for the town's volunteer firefighters and to have the pumps tested periodically. ---------

    Yeah, absolutely ridiculous standards. We all know fires are different here in East Podunk than in the big cities.

    How prevalent is this attitude among town administrators or, God forbid, chiefs?

  • #2
    Most city and town officials have absolutely no clue to how a fire department runs, and if you try to explain it to them, they cannot comprehend what is going on.

    Firefighters: rising under adverse conditions to accept the challenge!
    Captain Gonzo


    • #3
      >>Most city and town officials have absolutely no clue to how a fire department runs, and if you try to explain it to them, they cannot comprehend what is going on.<<

      That's exactly what I've been trying to preach forever. And most won't volunteer to learn it, they have to be forced into acknowledging any problems with the department. How often have you seen me write something to the effect that if you're interested in your department, select someone to run?

      When I became a Commissioner, I had no idea what the difference in a pumper and a tanker was. The first time I heard about OSHA, I assumed it had something to do with the fire hydrant suppliers. The first thing I did was request a pager, the next thing was I attended all meetings at the station, business and training. I went to calls, and stood out of the way. I subscribed to magazines, and this forum (where all of you have taught me), and if I had questions I ask. Within two years, I was able to negotiate our contract with the county, and I was able to intelligently argue for our department.

      I took some criticism from fire fighters, who thought I was only there to keep an eye on them, and I took criticism from other commissioners who felt I was trying to micro-manage. Today, I feel that I've earned the respect of all the fire fighters in our department, and I really don't care how the other Commissioners feel. It's their loss for not following the example.

      The loudest voice any department will have is the one that knows what they're talking about, and can convey it in an intelligent way. Who better to do that, than one of your own.


      • #4
        "Today, I feel that I've earned the respect of all the fire fighters in our department, and I really don't care how the other Commissioners feel. It's their loss for not following the example."

        Comwhite, would you consider moving to San Angelo? We would love you forever!! Bravo on your accomplishments.


        • #5
          Have to agree with the others. What frustrates me is that not only do town officials not know anything about the FD, THEY DON'T CARE TO LEARN.

          The attitude is...if someone calls 911, a truck shows up and no one complains to town hall, then everything's ok.

          Stay Safe.
          You asked for my opinion, now you have it. Any similarity to another opinion, living or dead, is purely coincidental.


          • #6
            Comwhite I would have to agree with troll911 would you consider moving to Osceola Mills PA. We would love to have someone like you in our area. Our borough council seems to table everything. They don't seem to care much about us unless they need our help with something heaven forbid we ask them for something. The Fire Service needs more people like you.


            • #7
              Getting them to care, I suppose, could be the challenge.

              Going back, oh, about 10 years ago we had a State Rep (Marie Herbst)from Vernon, CT who was very supportive of the fire service. She even had photos from a few years before-- of her in a white helmet lettered with "MAYOR" on the sides. She kept the turnout gear in the trunk of her car, and like Comwhite, she'd attend training and fires every so often and just hang out and observe to know what was going on.


              • #8
                Is this attitude prevalent in elected officials? It can be unless you educate them. They easily can assume the "it will never happen here" theory. You need to become involved in your municipality.

                I'm pretty lucky. I am a Fire Chief of a small Borough. I am also a volunteer chief of one of the volunteer stations there.
                We have a Mayor and eight council persons that serve community. Of the eight council people, 1 is the president and a past Assistant Chief of my volunteer department. Another is a past Deputy Chief of my Department. Another is a past Assistant Chief of my Department. One other is a past active firefighter in his earlier days. One more became a member because he liked the people there. So we have pretty good representation in the local government. I don't just get want I want when I ask for it, I need to present the ideas and they want me to show the reason for what's being asked for. We have a good working relationship. I feel I have their respect and they have mine.


                • #9
                  I agree with you chief500. It is your job to educate the people with the "Purse Strings" and make them understand. The State of Texas is not an OSHA plan state, so the laws don't restrict them to compliance. However that dosen't relieve them from the liability of injury. Even in places that OSHA is not a law, their reg's. are still are considered to be a minimum standard and employer's have paid big liable for their lack of compliance. One court even said, " None compliance with minimum standards is willfully placing your employee's into unnecessary danger." If you here the money hardship or the complaint of lack of support here is some "ammo" to use to help. In Texas a municipality paid a 22 million dollar liability for a "Confine Space" fatality. They were not in compliance with the OSHA standards and this is not an OSHA plan state! Employee's that have been given all the standard equipment and training that fall to use it are being denied salary payments, because they are viewing it as if it were a suicide attempt! A small town could support safety and equipment for a lot of years with 22 million dollars. The day someone gets hurt, its to late to try and catch-up. Sometime this can be expensive, so work a plan to do this over time and give them a chance to help you. Most Government are willing to help with the right kind of encouragement. Give them the facts, then tell them how they can comply and try not to use strong-arming until it is necessary to say, "It's the law."

                  SERVING FOR PRIDE
                  PROUD TO SERVE!


                  300x600 Ad Unit (In-View)


                  Upper 300x250