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  • Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    What happens to the weapon while on assignments?
    The solutions are simple. Ever heard of a BioSâf or a Secure Logic Wall Vault? They're small biometric safes that allow instant access to approved personnel.
    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    You say that you are only talking about "protection" inside a firehouse, yet you say that you wouldn't carry/use a firearm at the scene of a hostile type of incident. What happens to the weapon?
    It remains secured unless an active hostility advances upon the station and/or personnel, or being secured at the start or end of a shift.
    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    Do the other members of your company and the public have to wait while you secure the weapon prior to responding?
    No, it remains secured unless needed to stop an attacker, or being secured at the start or end of a shift.
    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    Do you leave the weapon unsecured in the firehouse?
    No, you take it with you when your tour of duty has ended.
    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    Where is the guarantee that all members on duty will properly secure their weapon?
    It's called faith. The community assumes we will take prudent and responsible actions. They don't assume that we will automatically do wrong things.

    Our Depts' trust us to respond in a hastily fashion through crowded streets during rush hour to a scene where chaos exists on a truck that weighs 20-35 tons and was built by the lowest bidder, only to arrive there and run into a burning building that other people are running out of. An assumption that those same people are not responsible enough to secure a legally owned firearm is hypocrisy.
    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    What happens if you do have a break in occur, while companies are in quarters, and people start shooting, because they are defending themselves?
    Umm, you shoot the person who is, or is about to, shoot/cut/stab/strike you. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
    Originally posted by jasper45 View Post
    That would be a great headline, were nine firefighters to open fire in an engine house trying to defend themselves from an intruder.
    Yes, it would be a great headline. And every criminal who heard that story would think twice before attacking a Firefighters at the Fire Station.
    Last edited by txgp17; 07-09-2008, 10:38 PM.
    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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    • Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
      Holy thread hijack Batman. Get a clue George. I'm advocating a Castle Doctrine in the firehouse, you're advocating that we become crime fighters. The two are not related. You can't get any more off topic than you are right now.

      Just because one has a gun does not make them a hero. I don't want to establish a Neighborhood watch program.

      Why should people have accessible firearms when the Police are only a phone call away? For the same reasons that we tell them to have fire extinguishers even when the Fire Dept is only a phone call away. Immediate action.

      We don't expect Joe Citizen to go running around fighting structure fires with his 10-B:C rated extinguisher out of the kitchen. Nor should anyone attempt go out and about crime fighting with a Smith & Wesson J-frame.

      When it comes to firearms & self-defense, you're treading water in the shallow end of the knowledge pool.

      And gutless? I've taken the initiative to get training and licensing so I can carry a gun in my State. I accept the responsibility of using it to defend my life, rather than cowering to the demands of a criminal. Your state is so anti-gun you don't have a choice but to be a sheeple. Under N.J.S. 2C:39-5, possession of ALL firearms is prohibited unless one has a NJ permit to carry a handgun or a NJ Firearm Purchaser ID card. In a free Country, Citizens do not need permission to keep and bear arms.
      You're a typical "tough guy"...no guts until you have a gun strapped to your side.

      I am not saying "...that we become crime fighters." and you know it. I am talking about the simple decency of helping your neighbor in a time of need. But you apparently are too gutless to come out of your bunker in the apparatus bay to even do that much.

      And BTW genius, I carried a gun every day of my life for 20 years and I am permitted to carry one now. So that argument is shot for you. You got anything else?
      PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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      • Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
        You're a typical "tough guy"...no guts until you have a gun strapped to your side.
        It's called leveling the playing field. And you don't don't know jack about my courage level, nor do I have to justify it to a simpleton like you who feels good about himself by putting others down.
        Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
        I am not saying "...that we become crime fighters." and you know it.
        Re-read your post. That's exactly what you were criticizing me for not doing. Some people are visionaries, you're a re-visionary.
        Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
        I am talking about the simple decency of helping your neighbor in a time of need. But you apparently are too gutless to come out of your bunker in the apparatus bay to even do that much.
        First off, I wasn't on duty. Secondly, if they call 911, the phone at our station doesn't ring. It goes to the communication center where they dispatch us if needed. And my Station wasn't dispatched.
        Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
        And BTW genius, I carried a gun every day of my life for 20 years and I am permitted to carry one now. So that argument is shot for you. You got anything else?
        You call that shooting my argument? Your being a retired/active LEO suddenly nullifies the fact that your state is one of the most anti-gun in the Union? What joke. And I've got plenty more. I guess the only reason you're permitted to do in NJ is because you're a retired LEO. And you admit to carry one everyday, but when I advocate doing so it makes me gutless. How can you explain that one?
        Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
        Actually, home invasion robberies are almost always a targeted attack on homes where it is known that there is a large stash of cash (often illegally obtained), jewelry or narcotics. It may also be coupled with kidnappings. The chance of your fire station becoming the victim of a true home invasion is virtually non-existent.
        Did you even read the article? There was no kidnapping. And the chances of me dying in a airplane crash are virtually non-existent too, but I still put my seatbelt on and read the emergency action info.
        Last edited by txgp17; 07-10-2008, 12:50 AM.
        The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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        • Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
          It's called leveling the playing field. And you don't don't know jack about my courage level, nor do I have to justify it to a simpleton like you who feels good about himself by putting others down. Re-read your post. That's exactly what you were criticizing me for not doing. Some people are visionaries, you're a re-visionary.First off, I wasn't on duty. Secondly, if they call 911, the phone at our station doesn't ring. It goes to the communication center where they dispatch us if needed. And my Station wasn't dispatched. You call that shooting my argument. You being a retired/active LEO suddenly nullifies the fact that your state is one of the most anti-gun in the Union? What joke. And I've got plenty more. I guess the only reason you're permitted to do in NJ is because you're a retired LEO. And you admit to carry one everyday, but when I advocate doing so it makes me gutless. How can you explain that one?
          I'll try to explain it to you using little words.

          I did not criticize you for advicating carrying a weapon. You can try to spin it that way, but it is simply not true.

          I strongly support the right of a citizen to own firearms and to keep those firearms in his home. However, I strongly advocate that the State must have some control over who carries a weapon outside the home.

          My state does not really limit the ownership of firearms unless you are a felon or a psych case. The NJ Firearms ID card is extremely easy to get. You can buy all the legal firearms you want and keep them in your home with no problem. That is keeping and bearing arms.

          I do not necessarily agree with all the other firearms laws in my state. But I have to let you in on a little secret. I am highly intelligent and never wrong, but the State of NJ has not seem fit to appoint me Governor yet, so I really can't change those laws. And even if I could, what in the world do NJ's firearms laws have to do with this debate?

          I criticized you for exhibiting an attitude that somehow carrying a firearm makes you a tougher person. You invented an extremely unlikely scenario and then expressed more than once that your answer to this unlikely attack was going to be to shoot the person. A mature, experienced gun owner would understand that shooting a person is the LAST thing one would want to do.

          I carried a weapon every day on the public side job. I was trained to use it in defense of my life or the life of another person. I would do the same thing now. You, being untrained in the above decision making process, would use it to kill criminals. That is very disturbing. What's more disturbing is that you do not even understand the difference.

          Did you even read the article? There was no kidnapping. And the chances of me dying in a airplane crash are virtually non-existent too, but I still put my seatbelt on and read the emergency action info.
          At the point that I wrote about this subject, I was under the impression that you might be an intelligent person and I was trying to teach you something about home invasions. My bad.
          PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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          • Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            I'll try to explain it to you using little words.

            I did not criticize you for advocating carrying a weapon.
            Yes you did. You've implied that I'm a wus for even doing so right here. Now that makes you a liar and ruins the credibility of any more drivel you insert into the discussion. You're entitle to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own facts.
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            You can try to spin it that way, but it is simply not true.
            I didn't spin it that way. You did.
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            My state does not really limit the ownership of firearms unless you are a felon or a psych case. The NJ Firearms ID card is extremely easy to get. You can buy all the legal firearms you want and keep them in your home with no problem. That is keeping and bearing arms.
            No, that is keeping them, not bearing them. It doesn't matter how easy a NJ Firearms ID card is to get. Citizens do not need the State's permission to engage in a Civil Right.
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            I am highly intelligent and never wrong,
            And you have a typical condescending attitude of Yankee know-it-all.
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            but the State of NJ has not seem fit to appoint me Governor yet, so I really can't change those laws. And even if I could, what in the world do NJ's firearms laws have to do with this debate?
            It bears on your misguided attitude towards the subject. You're programmed by the NJ culture to think the other 49 states should do as you do.
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            I criticized you for exhibiting an attitude that somehow carrying a firearm makes you a tougher person.
            I never said (or wrote) that. Not once. Those are your words alone. Fighting in a MMA match might make you tough. Working out with tractor weights will make you tough. Carrying a gun gives you the option of meeting deadly force with deadly force.
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            You invented an extremely unlikely scenario and then expressed more than once that your answer to this unlikely attack was going to be to shoot the person. A mature, experienced gun owner would understand that shooting a person is the LAST thing one would want to do.

            I carried a weapon every day on the public side job. I was trained to use it in defense of my life or the life of another person. I would do the same thing now. You, being untrained in the above decision making process, would use it to kill criminals. That is very disturbing. What's more disturbing is that you do not even understand the difference.
            So you have the clairvoyance to determine what amount of training I have, and my mindset, just by a few posts in this forum. Well I guess you really are a genius, at least in your own world. The decision process to use lethal force was not the subject of this discusssion, but since you've chosen to deny the existence of things that you've written, there's no reason why you wouldn't deny that someone else said something either. I briefly addressed that right here when I wrote:
            Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
            A person has only 3 means of defense;
            -persuasion
            -retreat/evade
            -meet force with force

            There are times the first two don't work.
            This is by no means a citizen's guide to using lethal force. It's the briefest of outlines. And the justification for using lethal force in my State may be different than NJ's. I won't studying NJ's as I have no reason to travel there. So once again, don't expect the rest of the civilized world to conform to your "greater than thou cause I'm never wrong" standards.

            And to finish replying to a previous post you made here:
            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            I didn't have to. Some of the others did a fine job. Anything I could have added would have been like dog pile on the rabbit.
            No, they changed the subject. And speaking of correcting false statement, I guess you mean like the ones of yours that were corrected here, and here, and here, and here.
            The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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            • Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
              [sarcasm]I guess you guys are right, there is never ever a valid reason for a Firefighter to have access to a firearm for self-defense at anytime whatsoever while he is on duty.[/sarcasm]
              This the best. I love the rationale for being allowed to carry a firearm at work.

              You must live in a lot of fear to have that mindset.

              Most (>90%) of the seasoned cops and retired cops do not carry a weapon off duty. For a lot reasons. The hassle of carrying and securing only being two of them. Their opinions to me is that most anyone carrying a weapon is looking for trouble. Reading your posts only reinforces that belief.

              There is nothing more pathetic than someone desperate to be thought a hero.
              Last edited by scfire86; 07-10-2008, 11:28 AM.
              Truth is weirder than any fiction I've seen.
              -- Hunter S. Thompson

              I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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              • I'll dip my toe in this debate, although I'm hardly an expert.

                I do own a firearm, I bought it years ago for home defense and it stays locked in a safe in my house. I'd rather not go into more details then that...

                Years ago, when I bought said firearm, NJ laws were really tough (I don't think they've changed all that much and I don't think the process has changed much either). Sure, the firearms ID card is fairly easy to get and once you have it you can buy long guns and ammo.

                However, to purchase a handgun, you have to complete another permit, and this whole process (ID card and permit) took about six months. This depends on how efficient your local police department is.

                I know, I'm a little nervous when someone claims they need a gun RIGHT NOW. However, six months? I thought that was a bit excessive in the computer age.

                Also, some of the other "assault rifle" laws and laws about clip size are pretty silly. These were crafted by people who are scared of firearms and place more emphasis on how the firearm looks then how it functions.

                I agree that most don't need automatic weapons, and I've never fired one in my life (but would love to try it at a range).

                There was a great show on TV the other night called "30 days" and it showed a city dwelling anti-gun advocate who had to live for 30 days with a pro-gun advocate and adopt some of his lifestyle.

                I think it really opened up her eyes in respect to what responsible gun ownership is all about. I'd encourage people on both side of the issue to view it.

                I think the DC ban decision was a solid one. Like it or not America's culture does involve a long history of personal ownership of firearms. It is hard coded into the Bill of Rights, and while the chances of needing to protect our country from tyranny is pretty slim, there are times when your neighborhood could devolve into a lawlessness (ask folks that lived through Katrina).

                I think that this is an issue that is also largely divided along city/rural lines.

                In the firehouse. No, there really just isn't a need and in most cases, the facility is just not equipped to store firearms safely when you need to go on a run.
                I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                • Wow some of the responses are getting really out there. I have to totally disagree with txgp17's reasoning on why firefighters should be allowed to carry a weapon while in the firehouse or on a fire scene. If you feel your firehouse is in such a threat that criminals could walk in and start assaulting firefighters then take measures to secure your station. If the scenes you are responding to are violent in nature stage and wait until the LEO's arrive and secure the scene, that is what they are trained to do. If they become violent while you are there, back out and call for LEO's

                  I am from Texas and I do have a CHL, that does not mean that I think I have the right to carry my weapon while on duty or anytime I please. I think the total opposite. I am strongly in favor of a citizens right to own and posses a firearm as long as they fit and follow the laws of the state in which they reside.

                  Do I carry my weapon while off duty? Yes, Most of the time I do

                  Do I go around "bragging" that I am carrying a weapon? No, in fact 99% of the people I know do not even know I have a CHL and carry a weapon while off duty. Many times my wife who is with me does not even know if I am carrying or not, I just quietly carry my weapon and don't make a big production out of it.
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                  • Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
                    Yes you did. You've implied that I'm a wus for even doing so right here. Now that makes you a liar and ruins the credibility of any more drivel you insert into the discussion. You're entitle to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own facts.I didn't spin it that way. You did.No, that is keeping them, not bearing them. It doesn't matter how easy a NJ Firearms ID card is to get. Citizens do not need the State's permission to engage in a Civil Right.And you have a typical condescending attitude of Yankee know-it-all. It bears on your misguided attitude towards the subject. You're programmed by the NJ culture to think the other 49 states should do as you do.I never said (or wrote) that. Not once. Those are your words alone. Fighting in a MMA match might make you tough. Working out with tractor weights will make you tough. Carrying a gun gives you the option of meeting deadly force with deadly force. So you have the clairvoyance to determine what amount of training I have, and my mindset, just by a few posts in this forum. Well I guess you really are a genius, at least in your own world. The decision process to use lethal force was not the subject of this discusssion, but since you've chosen to deny the existence of things that you've written, there's no reason why you wouldn't deny that someone else said something either. I briefly addressed that right here when I wrote:This is by no means a citizen's guide to using lethal force. It's the briefest of outlines. And the justification for using lethal force in my State may be different than NJ's. I won't studying NJ's as I have no reason to travel there. So once again, don't expect the rest of the civilized world to conform to your "greater than thou cause I'm never wrong" standards.

                    And to finish replying to a previous post you made here:No, they changed the subject. And speaking of correcting false statement, I guess you mean like the ones of yours that were corrected here, and here, and here, and here.
                    I'm on vacation and it's raining. That's the only reason I am spending any time on this.

                    You can post whatever quotes you want, but they will not show that I criticized you for advocating carrying a weapon. I criticized your immature attitude about carrying a weapon. You spun it the other way. Liar? Hardly.

                    The SCOTUS has never, as far as I know, issued an opinion that it is a civil right to carry a firearm. Owning one? Absolutely. Carrying one? Nope. That's a state issue and will most likely remain a state issue forever. Even most states with very liberal carry provisions require a permit of some sort. Only the militia types or fools advocate no regulation to carry a firearm.

                    Did you ever see a FF who had a ton of training but was still a poor example of a FF? Wel, you can say that for some gun owners, too. And, buddy, you fit right into that category. I don't really care how much training you have.

                    Disagreeing with someone does not equate to correcting them. The examples you cited are not examples of correction. They are examples of a disagreement.

                    I have come to the conclusion that you are two things; first and foremost a troll, and second, an immature gun owner. Post whatever else you want to, I am through with you in order to leave time for the intelligent posters on here.
                    PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                    • Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      This the best. I love the rationale for being allowed to carry a firearm at work.
                      I never advocated that we carry them at work. Only that they not be absolutely barred from possession in quarters while not on call. It seems that having a revisionist imagination is contagious.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      You must live in a lot of fear to have that mindset.
                      It's called preparation, and it's no different than insisting the 50' section of LDH hose be in a donut roll rather than a straight roll.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Most (>90%) of the seasoned cops and retired cops do not carry a weapon off duty.
                      Do you have a credible source to substantiate that? That would only be logical if one doesn’t live in the jurisdiction one works in. My experiences are just the opposite of your assumptive statistical analysis. All my LEO friends carry off-duty (and I have as many as you). While shopping in Wally Mart, my brother encountered a PERP that he'd arrested months earlier. My brother was unarmed and with his wife at the time. The PERP saw him and approached to initiate an unpleasant conversation. Since then he carries everywhere he can.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Their opinions to me is that most anyone carrying a weapon is looking for trouble.
                      And that's a typical LEO mindset, and it's an incorrect one.

                      I have a BVM in my personal first-aid kit, but I don't drive around looking for people in pulmonary arrest. But if I encounter one, I can take immediate action to prevent the loss of life.

                      I have a 4A-80B:C rated extinguisher behind the seat of my truck, but I don't drive around looking for fires. But if my truck catches on fire, I can take immediate action to prevent a total loss.
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Reading your posts only reinforces that belief.

                      There is nothing more pathetic than someone desperate to be thought a hero.
                      I don't want to be a hero, but I don't want to be a victim or a corpse either. Your inability to tell the difference is not my responsibility.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      I have to totally disagree with txgp17's reasoning on why firefighters should be allowed to carry a weapon while in the firehouse or on a fire scene.
                      Station2Capt,
                      PLEASE, do not misrepresent my statements like that. At no time in this thread have I endorsed the idea that Firefighters carry firearms while on calls. I never advocated that we carry them at work. Only that they not be absolutely barred from possession in quarters while not on call.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      If you feel your firehouse is in such a threat that criminals could walk in and start assaulting firefighters then take measures to secure your station.
                      Like what? Lock the doors? Beyond that there isn't much I can do. Its public property and we cannot deny access to the public. And to revisit the home invasion scenario that GeorgeWendtCFI said would almost never happen because we don't have a substantial target of cash, drugs or the like. Just this year a Firefighter who worked at my Station was arrested on felony drug charges and had almost $9,500 cash on him at the time. SOURCE.

                      This illustrates perfectly that a Fire Station may be the target of an forced invasion. Who knows how many criminals considered if some of us were his accomplice and now see us as a potential target because we "MIGHT" have a substantial amount of cash on us.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      If the scenes you are responding to are violent in nature stage and wait until the LEO's arrive and secure the scene, that is what they are trained to do.
                      That's what we already do. And since I never endorsed Firemen being armed on calls, I don't know why you would suggest that. Unless you believe I said something I didn't from the misstatements made by GeorgeWendtCFI and other posters.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      If they become violent while you are there, back out and call for LEO's
                      Again, no changes there.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      I am from Texas and I do have a CHL, that does not mean that I think I have the right to carry my weapon while on duty or anytime I please.
                      Then you and I have something in common.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      Do I go around "bragging" that I am carrying a weapon? No, in fact 99% of the people I know do not even know I have a CHL and carry a weapon while off duty.
                      OK, now we have two things in common.
                      Originally posted by Station2Capt View Post
                      Many times my wife who is with me does not even know if I am carrying or not, I just quietly carry my weapon and don't make a big production out of it.
                      Now it’s three things we have in common, except mine is a GF, not a wife.
                      Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
                      The examples you cited are not examples of correction. They are examples of a disagreement.
                      No, they’re examples of people posting facts that correct your flase statements. You sound like Bill Clinton declaring he didn’t have sexual relations with Monica. Well, I guess that all depends on what your definition of “is” is.
                      Last edited by txgp17; 07-10-2008, 10:41 PM.
                      The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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                      • this year a Firefighter who worked at my Station was arrested on felony drug charges and had almost $9,500 cash on him at the time.
                        Well what a damn fool I am. Here I was talking about things that almost never happen. Some outfit you belong to there, Skippy.

                        No, they’re examples of people posting facts that correct your flase statements.
                        No, Skippy, they were disagreements.

                        But you know what, Skippy? I am tired of you. I am so tired that I hereby declare you the winner.

                        HEY GANG! SKIPPY KICKED MY *** IN THIS DISCUSSION! HE IS THE WINNER! EVERYBODY CONGRATULATE HIM!
                        PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                        • Way to go txgp17

                          Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
                          But you know what, Skippy? I am tired of you. I am so tired that I hereby declare you the winner.
                          HEY GANG! SKIPPY KICKED MY *** IN THIS DISCUSSION! HE IS THE WINNER! EVERYBODY CONGRATULATE HIM!
                          LOL, well he DID kick your *** in this discussion. Bout time you noticed what was plainly evident.

                          Congrats txgp17 for kicking his ***, you did a great job not lowering yourself to his level.
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                          • OMG! You guys are crazy!!!

                            Watch out for that guy over there folks! He's armed and dangerous and has a tendancy to run into burning buildings! If you're in danger he might just have to rescue you.
                            It's not the destination, but the journey that matters.

                            Stay safe

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                            • Originally posted by Raughammer1 View Post
                              LOL, well he DID kick your *** in this discussion. Bout time you noticed what was plainly evident.

                              Congrats txgp17 for kicking his ***, you did a great job not lowering yourself to his level.
                              I knew it!

                              The first person to jump in here would be another redneck hoople in favor of shooting criminals at will. Thanks for reinforcing my faith in my judgment.
                              PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                              • Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
                                I knew it!

                                The first person to jump in here would be another redneck hoople in favor of shooting criminals at will. Thanks for reinforcing my faith in my judgment.

                                Ya just cant win can ya?

                                Sucks to lose so much eh? First the Joe Horn case, then you got stuck inside because of the rain on your vacation, then txgp17 kicked your *** in this thread.


                                Georgie, go get a life, because if all you have to do is spend your vacation time huddled inside the house throwing rocks at others on the internet; Well, sucks to be you George, sucks to be you.

                                *Whew*, no wonder your so bitter.
                                Last edited by Raughammer1; 07-11-2008, 01:39 PM.
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