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    kvfd...I cannot accurately answer that question...I do not know the specifics...but I will research it for you.

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    It's not only Tiburon CAD that is not designed for fire service. Call Washington DC before buying an Intergraph CAD!!

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    "Call the supervisor".........UH, what am I chopped liver? If I am a Chief, and instruct you to do something, as someone who works at CCF stated in an earlier post, do it! I am higher in the rank structure than the shift supervisor, and don't care what they want to tell me.

    Of course this is assuming: it is my 1ST due or that I am the only Command officer on the call, I am even a chief in the first place, and how you tell PSC; are you asking or COMMANDING?

    Chiefs, get some balls.

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    11927 – A call was dispatched this morning for an accident on I95 south at Central Ave. The ambulance from 46 and 23, engine from 33 and 26, squad from 8 and medic unit from 46 were dispatched. The engine from 46 went on the air and was told that they were not due. 46 and 33 first due areas split at Central Ave. (Inner loop north of Central is 33’s and south is 46’s) Chief 46A said his engine should be due on the call (he was told to call the supervisor). Is this part of the new single pull policy?

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    After tonight I definately don't like the new General Order. I didn't notice it too much riding in the bucket, but after being in the seat I've gotta say it sucks! Thankfully I was on our second engine and didn't have to worry about giving a long return to communications, as did the first engine.

    There is too much extra talking which interferes with the lead unit giving/receiving information beneficial to the rest of the assignment. As kvfdlife stated, put two boxes out together and the dispatcher will catch hell. I don't see this getting any better. Take care and be safe.

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    Phil Clinard
    Laurel VFD
    Prince George's Co Sta 10
    Laurel, MD
    www.laurelvfd.org

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    Fireman194....feel free to call us and come look at the system...make sure you buy the whole system...the mistake PG County did was they didn't but the whole things...they bought bits and parts, thus making the system inadequate.

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    Tillerman14 it's already being implemented. We will just make the best out of it. Afterall nothing is perfect.

    [This message has been edited by Firefighter194 (edited 02-25-2001).]

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    Also how could I forget the first due, second due bull****,,,,,I personnally feel it is an embarressment to the command staff of the county fire dept.

    Firefighter194 whatever you do,,,do not get Tiburon it is not designed for FD use,,,,,tell them to come check ours out and they (communications) will be more than glad to tell you how much it sucks,,,,,tell them not waste their money on those paperweights.

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    I have to agree with 11927 it sucks!!!

    The Basic Rules:
    1. If you are within the first three companies due on the call you can double or triple pull.

    2. If your engine is due on the call you can run wagon/pumper (two engines for those of you reading who are not from PG)

    3. If your truck or squad is due on the call (and you are not within the first three stations) you can only take that piece and not double pull

    4. But if you are due on the run card after the special service and only have engines, you can run wagon/pumper even though you might be passing a station with an engine crew in the station.

    Make sense???

    A chief officer can override decisions. They just have to speak up.

    The county fire chief wanted to reduce the amount of units running up and down the street but with this new general order even more companies are running up and down the street. On this new general order if a unit is understaffed communications automatically has to dispatch another unit and does not have to ask the chief or command officer running the call like it used to be.

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    Jealous of what?

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    gee Mr dispatcher, not just a little bit jealous are we?

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    and also, for the Topic Host...as a Dispatcher, I do not like the new general order....

    What about Company 44, an all career station...if the ambulance goes out, the Captain or Lieutenant in the station will stay there, and earn an ungodly amount of money, to not be alerted to a call....that's the county Government for you....how do you think the citizens would like that???

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    housesiren....

    I am a dispatcher for the county.
    The way it SHOULD be is ....

    If you call a second crew in, and your station is before the next unit that would be specialed, you would be due.

    Any engine can go wagon pumper....no matter what your due is.

    A Chief Officer, or command can override anything. They have command, and communcications should do what they wish.

    If you are Driver only, you will not be allowed to run outside your first due, unless you are a Pumper or speical piece of Apparatus (MSU, Tanker, etc)

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    I have a few questions about the new general orders:
    1. can the 3rd and 4th due engine respond wagon-pumper?
    2. if a unit gets out understaffed, will communications dispatch a unit from a station with a 2nd crew that is already on the call, or will they dispatch a unit fromthe 8th due station on the box?
    3. can a chief officer overide communication's decision to add equipment to supplement understaffed units?

    [This message has been edited by housesiren (edited 02-23-2001).]

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    I agree that hey should take out the part of sending more apparatus if one is understaffed. Also get rid of that 1st due 2nd due bullsh*t. The way a call is diaptched is the way you are due on the assignment
    EXAMPLE: Engine co's 11,35,13,7 Trucks 14,12 Squad 1

    This has worked fine for many years and now it is not good enough. Sounds like to me that someone has to much time on their hands thinking of stupid **** to do,,,,,,there are not nearly enough dispatchers up there at communications,,,,,It seems to me that communications has become a wicked stepchild of the fire dept

    Also get rid of the part where it only allows double-pulling for the first three companies due on an assignment and the having to call in with second crews.

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