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  • webteam
    started a topic Pre-Fire Plan Drawings

    Pre-Fire Plan Drawings

    On behalf of "robtnort" who is having difficuly starting a new thread.

    "I am looking for software to draw simple pre-fire drawings (building layout, utilities, hydrant location, etc). What program does everyone use?
    Last edited by webteam; 06-02-2007, 08:49 AM. Reason: Check for posting problem.

  • InsuranceLCRep
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    First sorry for bringing this 11 year old thread back to life.....BUT interested in what software you are using for prefire planning. If anyone is in the Philadelphia region would love to chat and see how you have put the prefire plan into service. We have been doing very simple drawings using google maps for the image. We what to take it to the next level based on NFPA 1620. Do not want to recreate the wheel if someone has been down this road, we are a volunteer department with both rural, busy downtown, industry, university and many apartment complexes.

    Thanks for your help.

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  • HotTrotter
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    Yes. I know what I am talking about. I started with programming before Windows existed.

    We'll never know, but with about an hour of testing...the "Webteam" should have been able to figure out the issue. It's not a random problem, it's an easy to duplicate issue and therefore traceable and testable.
    ahh yes, the old DOS days when things were simple. Things are 100 times more complicated and difficult now.

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  • Bones42
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    What's important is that the webteam has solved the problem for at least one user. That's progress.
    I guess I expect more out of people than fixing 1 problem (for 1 user?) in 3 months and accepting that as "progress".

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  • DeputyMarshal
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    Yes. I know what I am talking about. I started with programming before Windows existed.
    Isn't that special. Me, too. Prior to moving to the fire service as a career it's what I did for a living.

    Since you have all that programming experience, you should be aware that debugging non-trivial software that is virtually undocumented to start with and then custom modified after the fact is no small task. (Assuming that there is someone with any real programming experience around the office to deduce what the program is supposed to be doing, how the writer chose to do it, and then debug whatever has gone wrong.)

    Being able to reproduce a problem software behavior helps isolate possible causes but it doesn't magically cure them.

    What's important is that the webteam has solved the problem for at least one user. That's progress.

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  • Bones42
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    Originally posted by robtnort View Post
    Thanks to everyone for their input. Seems like my posting problem is fixed now. Sorry I opened up a can of worms.
    YOU didn't open a can of worms....but hopefully your the fish that finally gets the problem solved.

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  • Bones42
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    Yes. I know what I am talking about. I started with programming before Windows existed.

    We'll never know, but with about an hour of testing...the "Webteam" should have been able to figure out the issue. It's not a random problem, it's an easy to duplicate issue and therefore traceable and testable.

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  • robtnort
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    Thanks to everyone for their input. Seems like my posting problem is fixed now. Sorry I opened up a can of worms.

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  • HotTrotter
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    Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Have you ever operated and administered a php/sql based forum? I have. When everything is working properly, it's a pretty straightforward operation. When bugs creep in through updates and/or custom modifications, it's a pain in the backside to track them down and fix them.

    The FH.com forum isn't running "out of the box" vBB. Most of the problems I've observed point back to the custom interface betwqeen the FH.com registration system and vBB. (Note that he user having problems posting is apparently registered but stuck in "guest" user limbo.)

    Would you like to take odds on whether whoever wrote that custom interface between the FH subscription system and vBB is even still around? Or if s/he left behind any kind of real documentation about how the modifactions were coded? In short, there are clearly some software issues here and they aren't trivial. The problems that they create, however, aren't catastrophic and they don't appear to be affecting a large fraction of users. Given that it's a free forum, that makes it a fairly low priority fix.

    If you'd like to discuss it more, please open a new thread or take it to a PM so we don't hijack this one any further. I, for one, won't be replying here again.
    What he said....

    P.S. Sorry for the double hijack. Just burns me when someone thinks these systems are easy to fix and maintain. If it was that simple we would 10 times as many qualified applicants as we needed. As it is, these people get paid big bucks because not everyone can do these jobs. There is a small talent pool to draw from.

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  • HotTrotter
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    So, instead of fixing the problem...."they" start a thread for him.



    Classic move.
    You obviously don't know anything about how these systems run. The package in use is off the shelf. However, it isn't just installed and starts running. There is a great deal of customization involved. It might be running on multiple servers, for sure they are managing multiple servers. I'm guessing they are running some form of Linux or Unix. There are a whole bunch of security features that get added on. All of which make things harder to use. I would be willing to say that the forum pages are not the only things running on these servers, I'm sure there are a whole bunch of applications and services running. You can sometimes spend months trying to resolve these problems. It will end up being some little flag in some config or startup file that has gotten set or unset. It could be something as unique as something in the persons profile. And it is pretty easy to corrupt these things using SQL injections, buffer overflows, cross scripting, cross-domain security issues and a host of other hacking activities. You could be getting hacked by some script kiddy, people who dowload applications but don't really know how they work. Or you could be getting hit by a serious cracker intent on causing harm.

    Until you have walked a mile in their moccasins I suggest you give them a break. I'm sure if it was an easy fix it would already be done. Some peoples children

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  • DeputyMarshal
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    I truly hope you were being sarcastic, because if you believe there exists a technical problem in a very popular software package that is unfixable for over 3 months....I have a bridge to sell you.
    Have you ever operated and administered a php/sql based forum? I have. When everything is working properly, it's a pretty straightforward operation. When bugs creep in through updates and/or custom modifications, it's a pain in the backside to track them down and fix them.

    The FH.com forum isn't running "out of the box" vBB. Most of the problems I've observed point back to the custom interface betwqeen the FH.com registration system and vBB. (Note that he user having problems posting is apparently registered but stuck in "guest" user limbo.)

    Would you like to take odds on whether whoever wrote that custom interface between the FH subscription system and vBB is even still around? Or if s/he left behind any kind of real documentation about how the modifactions were coded? In short, there are clearly some software issues here and they aren't trivial. The problems that they create, however, aren't catastrophic and they don't appear to be affecting a large fraction of users. Given that it's a free forum, that makes it a fairly low priority fix.

    If you'd like to discuss it more, please open a new thread or take it to a PM so we don't hijack this one any further. I, for one, won't be replying here again.

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  • Bones42
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    Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Instead of acknowledging that this demonstrates that the webteam is, in fact, aware of the problem and doing what they can to correct it, why is it necessary to criticize them for trying?
    I truly hope you were being sarcastic, because if you believe there exists a technical problem in a very popular software package that is unfixable for over 3 months....I have a bridge to sell you.

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  • DeputyMarshal
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    I wish we did have something computer based but we're still limping along with hand drawn pre-plans despite so much of the rest of our data being in the computer.

    That being sadi and despite being off-topic, I won't let this one pass...

    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    So, instead of fixing the problem...."they" start a thread for him.
    So, once again, does someone need to point out the obvious? If it was something that could be easily "fixed," they would probably have done so by now, wouldn't they?

    Instead of acknowledging that this demonstrates that the webteam is, in fact, aware of the problem and doing what they can to correct it, why is it necessary to criticize them for trying?

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  • Catch22
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    So, instead of fixing the problem...."they" start a thread for him.



    Classic move.
    I was wondering who and how long it'd take to point that out.

    Oh yeah, we use Visio as well. Easy to use and came with our Office package.
    Last edited by Catch22; 06-04-2007, 10:51 AM. Reason: Forgot to post what I was going to post.

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  • Bones42
    replied
    Originally posted by webteam View Post
    On behalf of "robtnort" who is having difficuly starting a new thread.
    So, instead of fixing the problem...."they" start a thread for him.



    Classic move.

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