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  • Didn't even know this was possible

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    I did not even know a rig could be moved with the aerial up and jacks down. I thought for sure that the computer would not allow the rig to move unless the ladder was down and jacks up. Is this normal? Did I miss something t=in the owners manual? Do all aerials do this?? I guess I will have to try it.....or maybe not!

  • #2
    If you looked close the Jacks were up, You can find the over ride switches for the stick and you will have to disengage the PTO. It also looked like they broke the lines off the officers side before they moved it, yet it stated the lines were still attached, as for the jacks down, they would have to raise them
    Be SAFE!!! Go home when your shift is done and enjoy life.
    This is MY OPINION and ONLY MINE.
    Not my Departments/IAFF/WPFF

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    • #3
      My question is You have a 110 foot platform? Why the hell were they that close to the building in the first place. Wood frame, bow string, they had to know the building was comming down. I would like to see the nice paint job the tower and engine have now.
      Be SAFE!!! Go home when your shift is done and enjoy life.
      This is MY OPINION and ONLY MINE.
      Not my Departments/IAFF/WPFF

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      • #4
        Originally posted by plisken View Post
        If you looked close the Jacks were up, You can find the over ride switches for the stick and you will have to disengage the PTO. It also looked like they broke the lines off the officers side before they moved it, yet it stated the lines were still attached, as for the jacks down, they would have to raise them

        I don't think so, If you watch closely, when he backs up you can see the front tires are not turning. They are still off the ground due to the front jacks. Either the rear tires were still touching, or he must have lowered the rears though.

        And I think I still see the hoses being dragged backwards. I think he just put it in gear and powered it away.
        Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!

        IACOJ

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        • #5
          Originally posted by plisken View Post
          My question is You have a 110 foot platform? Why the hell were they that close to the building in the first place. Wood frame, bow string, they had to know the building was comming down. I would like to see the nice paint job the tower and engine have now.
          No new paint job needed. They weren't even that close, and were well outside the collapse zone. After all, the parking lot is only so big. If you watch the video, the blow torch effect that occured was highly unusual, thus prompting the quick action.

          ... and the driver did bring up the outriggers. At the very beginning of the video, you can see the rig drop slightly. I'm not sure about the jacks, though.
          Last edited by PAVolunteer; 04-12-2007, 10:05 AM.

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          • #6
            It states right in the article that they did raise the jacks a few inches prior to moving.

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            • #7
              Jacks Don't Do Everything.........

              A Tandem Axle rig, with the Tandem lock engaged, can pull one hell of a lotta weight. Catch to this trick is making sure the jacks are picked up enough for the Tower's wheels to sit on the ground hard enough to get sufficient traction. I have moved both a Sutphen and a Seagrave Tower with the jacks down, and was able to do it safely. KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, and KNOWING THE TRUCK'S LIMITATIONS are key to a successful operation. These guys did one helluva job.
              Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
              In memory of
              Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
              Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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              • #8
                I do remember in Orange County NY around 1992 one of the companies dragged thier rig, jack down, away from an outter wall or a Jamesway Store that was about to collapse.

                Everything I have ever been taught about Tower operations would not even make this possible because at full stroke, your wheels should be off the ground.
                IACOJ Member

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                • #9
                  VINNIEB: I used to shop at that old Jamesway in the mid 70's, my brother and I saw our first "pong" game on display there, gosh I'm getting old.

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                  • #10
                    Even though the owner's manual for that rig probably has the line"DON'T try this at home!" over the picture shown,the Chief had to get his people out of harm's way and this seems to have been the most expeditious way to do it.
                    I'm sure if he thought that there was time to lower the jacks,unhook the hydrants and lower the tip,he'd have done it.
                    This is one example of "Improvise,adapt and overcome"being the correct choice.

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                    • #11
                      my biggest complaint is and not to change the subject, but why is there people on the hosebed and turntable of the ladder without gear on?

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                      • #12
                        Watch closely about half way through the first video just as the engine is moving, you can see the arial drop down..........Thats the jacks coming up
                        Buck
                        Assistant Chief/EMT-B

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by callaway75 View Post
                          It states right in the article that they did raise the jacks a few inches prior to moving.
                          Well I guess you showed me!

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                          • #14
                            Interesting -

                            I guess the real question is why they couldnt lower the ladder another 10ft to put it in the bed?

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                            • #15
                              I have two thoughts...

                              1. None of you were there. You have no idea what the total scenario was.
                              2. The brothers went home to their families.

                              'Nuff said.
                              PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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