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    Does anyone know or have any inside knowledge about what new products are coming out from Scott-Health and Safety as far as SCBA's that will meet the 2007 NFPA. My dept was told that they are comingout with two new models the NXG7 and the Air Pack 75. Of course when our local dealer called Scott and myself Scott is denying anything, they did tell the dealer however that they cannot say anything at this time due to copyright b.s. If anyone has anything or any knowledge of what is coming out please send me an email...thanks and stay safe..DFDAPD

  • #2
    Oh,wait 'til you see what's planned.Integrated voice amps,regulator upgrades and who knows what else.Probably a finger that taps you on the shoulder and says"Pardon me,did you know your air is LOW?". T.C.

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    • #3
      Talked to the rep last week. He told us that all the SCBA produced after a yet to be disclosed day, (sometime in January or February) will have to be the CBRNE compliant. He did not know any further info. Said he would call the factory. Haven't heard from him since. Guess they did not know anything either.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HEYVERN View Post
        He told us that all the SCBA produced after a yet to be disclosed day, (sometime in January or February) will have to be the CBRNE compliant.
        That noise you just heard was the price of new gear taking off, strapped to a
        shuttle launch booster......
        HazMat
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        We gotta be nuts...we're running in when the rats & roaches are running out!

        Let No Victim's Ghost Say That We Didn't Try
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        Disclaimer:
        These are my opinions, and only mine, and do not reflect the views of my department.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tanker06 View Post
          That noise you just heard was the price of new gear taking off, strapped to a
          shuttle launch booster......
          They said it could add another $1000.00 to each unit.

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          • #6
            We are living without the NXG2's right now so if they bring in another model that won't change things around here. So why worry
            Stephen J Bourassa
            Latham FD (NY)
            member since 1969
            challenge competitor since 1993

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            • #7
              With the NFPA 1971 - 2005 edition you have the option of making your Gear CBRNE compliant. The only thing is that if you order any of your gear CBRNE than ALL of your gear has to be CBRNE. You cannot have CBRNE Pants and Coat, and non-CBRNE boots, gloves, hood, and SCBA. So it's either an all-or-nothing approach.

              You don't HAVE to make any of your gear CBRNE compliant (and many-many departments won't have the funding to add that extra cost to their specs when they buy new gear). It is a big start-up cost to pay in addition to non-CBRNE 2005 edition gear. But if your SCBA is CBRNE all of your other gear has to be too.

              And that last requirenment is the reason that I don't believe that SCOTT will go exclusively to CBRNE SCBA's, but always have them as an option. If Scott is only selling SCBA's that are CBRNE compliant, then there would be many departments that would not buy them, because they cannot afford to spend the extra money to buy every single member new Turnout Gear that is CBRNE also. Scott would $crew themselves out of a lot of business.
              "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tanker06 View Post
                That noise you just heard was the price of new gear taking off, strapped to a
                shuttle launch booster......
                AMEN TO THAT.

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                • #9
                  We use the scott 4.5s and i really have no problem with them at all. I dont see the need to upgrade, we already have integrated pass and a hud. What more could you need?
                  FireFighter/EMT
                  Rescue 1

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by res1cueffd View Post
                    We use the scott 4.5s and i really have no problem with them at all. I dont see the need to upgrade, we already have integrated pass and a hud. What more could you need?
                    The problem is that Scott is no longer going to make the Air Pack 50, now it's either the NXG7 or the Air Pack 75.

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                    • #11
                      Just got 20 Scott AP50's. Choice of going CBRNE or not was a matter of $90 per pack. We chose not to as nothing else we have is CBRNE.
                      "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MarcusKspn View Post
                        With the NFPA 1971 - 2005 edition you have the option of making your Gear CBRNE compliant. The only thing is that if you order any of your gear CBRNE than ALL of your gear has to be CBRNE. You cannot have CBRNE Pants and Coat, and non-CBRNE boots, gloves, hood, and SCBA. So it's either an all-or-nothing approach.

                        You don't HAVE to make any of your gear CBRNE compliant (and many-many departments won't have the funding to add that extra cost to their specs when they buy new gear). It is a big start-up cost to pay in addition to non-CBRNE 2005 edition gear. But if your SCBA is CBRNE all of your other gear has to be too.

                        And that last requirenment is the reason that I don't believe that SCOTT will go exclusively to CBRNE SCBA's, but always have them as an option. If Scott is only selling SCBA's that are CBRNE compliant, then there would be many departments that would not buy them, because they cannot afford to spend the extra money to buy every single member new Turnout Gear that is CBRNE also. Scott would $crew themselves out of a lot of business.
                        Scott or any other manufacture does not have a choice...NFPA 1981, 2007 edition requires CBRN certification.

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                        • #13
                          And the NFPA is just looking out for us, right? All a mask really needs is for air to come out of it. Why do you need a HUD? Voice amps? What the hell are we talking about here??? Why is the NFPA requiring anything beyond safe, reliable gear? This is such a scam of an organization and everyone just buys right in to their BS, quoting standards and pretending that NFPA has some clue. Wake up. They are for profit. Everyone here is more concerned about complying with some group of nobodies who know nothing about their department than they are with getting the job done. Jesus, where does this end? When no one can afford to opperate anymore because they keep upping the ante so that manufacturers can keep selling more gear? Just look at some of the stupid stuff they require and tell me it's needed. I just don't understand why everyone wants Chief Cletus from the East [email protected] VFD and his panal of idiots and salesmen telling you how to do your job. I guess I don't care. My department has money to burn and buys anything and everything stupid that comes around, but I assume many don't have the money we do and you should all be concerned with this overbearing pack of nitwits.
                          I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ChicagoFF View Post
                            And the NFPA is just looking out for us, right? All a mask really needs is for air to come out of it. Why do you need a HUD? Voice amps? What the hell are we talking about here??? Why is the NFPA requiring anything beyond safe, reliable gear? This is such a scam of an organization and everyone just buys right in to their BS, quoting standards and pretending that NFPA has some clue. Wake up. They are for profit. Everyone here is more concerned about complying with some group of nobodies who know nothing about their department than they are with getting the job done. Jesus, where does this end? When no one can afford to opperate anymore because they keep upping the ante so that manufacturers can keep selling more gear? Just look at some of the stupid stuff they require and tell me it's needed. I just don't understand why everyone wants Chief Cletus from the East [email protected] VFD and his panal of idiots and salesmen telling you how to do your job. I guess I don't care. My department has money to burn and buys anything and everything stupid that comes around, but I assume many don't have the money we do and you should all be concerned with this overbearing pack of nitwits.
                            Agreed, almost entirely. The one change I would point out is that it is not the "Chief Cletuses" of the world that are over-represented on NFPA panels. It is the chiefs of (often comparatively wealthy) suburban departments (Chief Chad? Chief Biff?).

                            Would you allow Ford and Chevy to tell you when you are required to purchase a new car?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ISIscba View Post
                              Scott or any other manufacture does not have a choice...NFPA 1981, 2007 edition requires CBRN certification.
                              That's a joke. "Scott or any other manufacturer" ARE the NFPA.

                              "Sorry Sir, we have no choice but to sell you gear that is no better, just more complicated and prone to breaking, but costs twice as much. What's that? Why don't we have a choice? Because the NFPA says so. What's the NFPA? Why, that's me, my peers in the business and our golfing buddies."

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