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  • #16
    " - and a new 4th firehouse in Bowie in the Northview area. "

    That is another area of contention (?) and deal making within the county. A whole new station is to be built in an area where four stations currently respond, yet at Co.18 when the county owned tower ladder went out of service, the county refused to replace it and so disbanded it. Rather than augment current services for improvement, a whole new station is to be created and staffed. Maybe Co.13's engines, squad and ambulance will go there, but that would be logical. It would not suprise me if the new station was in some small way related to the actions of the citizens in that incorporated area wanting to succeede from the county at one time. Stanger things have happened.

    "Is why the hell did they put up the rest of their equipment as collateral. "

    Pride. Like I said before, if the station next door has a new special piece of apparatus, then you have to have one too, or you will end up losing territory, or calls, or members. When my station looked at getting a new ladder truck, not only did we have members with good fiscal sense and discipline in general, but we established long term plans and projections, apart from apparatus replacement. When looking at a tiller truck and financing, members also considered whether or not it was better to rehab the current squad or replace it, or, drop the squad altogether and focus on the time when the engines would be scheduled for replacement and consider a rescue engine as an option. We didn't simply sign on to a debt for the sake of having apparatus.

    1014, don't forget, RS.2 was still in service too at the time, or for a brief period, before the county reassigned it to 22. That gave you a choice of three rescue squads available to repsond to your first due area, and you (13) already had extrication tools on your engine. It made no sense at all, yet, when you look at it with the mergers, it was most likely a tool of leverage by one or more parties.
    "If you put the fire out right in the first place, you won't have to jump out the window."
    Andy Fredericks,
    FDNY E.48, SQ.18
    Alexandria, VA F.D.

    Rest in Peace

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    • #17
      Good Evening, Gentlemen............

      Obligitory disclaimer - Any comments in this post are MY personal opinion, and I am not speaking for any other person or any organization.

      As a member of the Prince Georges County Fire Commission, representing District 3, which includes Riverdale Heights, I know a bit about this matter, BUT, there are areas in which it would not be proper for me to comment.

      I will, generically, answer as many questions as I can:

      Someone asked "Where is local government?" There is none. In Maryland, we try very hard to ensue separation of Church and State. And Fire/Rescue/EMS Services. Small Town politics and VFDs are not a good mix, so many years ago, folks like my Grandfather worked to make sure that VFDs were totally independent from Government control. We do not have things like a Town owning a Ladder truck or Pumper. Apparatus is owned by a VFD, or by the County Government. In Prince Georges, at this time, Volunteers own about 80% of Firefighting Apparatus and Stations.

      Like some other parts of the Country, (Allegany County, Pa. comes to mind) we have areas where VFDs are pretty close together. The RHVFD has a first due of about 3 square miles. As a contrast, my station ( www.GDVFD18.com ) has a first due approaching 20 Sq. Miles. Biggest 1st due is the Baden VFD, with about 42 sq. miles. So, some things aren't equal.

      VFDs in this area practice "Creative Funding" a lot. If you can think of a Fund Raising idea, chances are someone here has tried it. Yes, VFDs get some support from County Government, and in the last couple of years there have been some very good improvements.

      Several references have been made to our former "Casino" Fundraising efforts. This matter is not connected in any way with the former "Casino" fundraising.

      Any more Questions?? There are several of us on here who know P.G.County well, we'll try to answer. Thanks, Harve
      Last edited by hwoods; 01-25-2007, 10:22 PM.
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      • #18
        Couple of More Items............

        One thing that has not been mentioned is the change in demographics in this area. In 1906, Riverdale Heights was Farm and Forest land, with a couple of Gravel roads thru the area. In 1926, some subdivisions were starting to appear, and a VFD became a necessity. 1946, with the end of World War II, brought terrific growth through this part of the County, including the first Shopping Centers and Apartments. By 1966, the major developments were finished, the builders moved on, and the community became a stable area again, seeing little change. By 1996, that stability vanished, as the largely Blue Collar residents started moving out, and were replaced by a largely immigrant population, which had no idea what a VFD is, and no history of Community involvement, or support of Community activities. This is a major factor in the decline of Fund Raising events such as Bingo and Chicken BarBQ Dinners at Firehouses. A number of VFDs, including Riverdale Heights, are working on getting the Hispanic community involved, thru things like Multi-lingual Recruiting and Fundraising messages. Time to go to work, I'll be back later.
        Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
        In memory of
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        Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

        IACOJ Budget Analyst

        I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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        • #19
          A number of VFDs, including Riverdale Heights, are working on getting the Hispanic community involved, thru things like Multi-lingual Recruiting and Fundraising messages.
          WOW. That is a really kuull initiative, Harve. I hope it works out well for all concerned.
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          • #20
            "I *think* one of the master planning goals of the late 1960's was to surround the towns and cities that resisted county annexation. The folks in F_____ City think that is why 21 (new site), 30, 32 and 34 were built when they were built."

            I am pretty sure it is a matter of record that the site location for FS34 was changed when the City of Fairfax started their own fire department. I believe 30 may have been moved closer the border also.

            Station 21 had to be moved and if you split the difference between Station 15and the city firehouses it is probably pretty close. Of all of those firehouse sthough none of them have impacted us the way Station 40 has. The call volume for the area justifies a firehouse and the need for a truck company somewhere between 3 and 38 was obvious but I think it could have gone a little further west.

            What is more interesting though is the not the location of the firehouse but the lack of Medic Units around us. 14, 23, 30 and 34.... seems like they don't mind our Medic Units serving those areas.

            Bottom line though is no matter what they do we are still right in the middle and will always be on the run cards. The other reality is they provide services for us that we couldn't on our own, like a hazmat unit and reserve ladders trucks just to name two. Oh and we need them to finish out any box alarm in the city.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bcarey View Post
              1014, don't forget, RS.2 was still in service too at the time, or for a brief period, before the county reassigned it to 22. That gave you a choice of three rescue squads available to repsond to your first due area, and you (13) already had extrication tools on your engine. It made no sense at all, yet, when you look at it with the mergers, it was most likely a tool of leverage by one or more parties.
              BC, I agree with much of what you're saying but please don't paint me with that brush brother...I have no connection whatsoever with Riverdale Heights.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by trainforpain120 View Post
                Is why the hell did they put up the rest of their equipment as collateral. This tells me that they over paid for the truck if they are having to use the other equipment on the loan.
                precisely....i dont really feel bad at all...if you put up your company firetrucks as collateral, you obviously need some mental help...now i am aware that there are others that do this, but that doesnt make it right....most financially-well-run companies wait until they have a good percentage of the funds before they purchase a new vehicle...

                and if they are running 4,000 calls a year, does someone know a)how many are ambulance calls (that should be a big source of income), b) how many of them calls are BS smells and bells (cause ive been down in that area and find it hard to believe they burn a lot)
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                • #23
                  I stand corrected ... and better informed

                  1014 and Chief Harve - thanks for the additional information. I especially appreciate the description of the demographic changes.

                  RE33FX - You are absolutely correct Ten years ago the county did a workload study for ems units - identifying that a corridor from Route 7 to Route 236 just west of the beltway was underserved by paramedic transport units. [Fire Stations 13, 30 and 23] 30 is the middle station of this corridor ... an area that continues to be well served by city paramedic units.

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                  • #24
                    1014

                    By no means was I implying you are a member at 13. This was poor writing on my part; too much generalizing with the word "you". I believe you're north of that battalion, and I apologize.

                    Regarding ambulance billing, we cannot bill when using a county owned ambulance or when it is staffed by career personnel. The later might have changed, but who owns the ambulance is for certain, which is why my former station bought a second one as a reserve. The number of calls is irrelevant to finances.

                    An add on comment, funding for the new station might be moved, as the courthouse has burned again this afternoon. Everyday a new adventure.


                    On second thought, things here could be a lot worse.
                    New Orleans Firefighters Upset with Facilities
                    I bet they could get dog masks though.
                    Last edited by bcarey; 01-26-2007, 09:35 PM.
                    "If you put the fire out right in the first place, you won't have to jump out the window."
                    Andy Fredericks,
                    FDNY E.48, SQ.18
                    Alexandria, VA F.D.

                    Rest in Peace

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bcarey View Post
                      On second thought, things here could be a lot worse.
                      New Orleans Firefighters Upset with Facilities
                      I bet they could get dog masks though.
                      That link deserves a thread of it's own.

                      The whole article left a bad taste in my mouth. Disgraceful!
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                      • #26
                        Statement from Co.13 http://www.rhvfd.org/, and an excerpt from the PG Fire/EMS Dept.,
                        "Fire Chief Sedgwick stated, “While the situation we have been presented with regarding the Riverdale Heights Fire & Rescue Squad, Inc., is sure to be extremely challenging to bring to an adequate resolution, citizens and residents can rest assured that both immediate and long-term options are under consideration in the event that the Riverdale Heights Fire & Rescue Squad, Inc. is forced to forfeit ownership of their fire-fighting apparatus.”

                        “The Fire/EMS Department will continually evaluate and adjust our service delivery as necessary to ensure that our personnel and physical resources are being utilized in the most efficient and effective manner. Again, I emphatically state that our number one consideration in our decision-making process will always be the safety and well-being of our personnel and the County citizens and residents we serve,” said Fire Chief Sedgwick

                        To address this situation, Fire Chief Lawrence Sedgwick ordered his Command Staff to meet with volunteer leadership and discuss available options to address this situation in the event that the Riverdale Heights Fire & Rescue Squad, Inc. loses ownership of their fire-fighting apparatus.

                        As a result, the Department is in the process of conducting a comprehensive review of fire and EMS service needs within the Riverdale Heights community, along with any potential impact this situation could have on service delivery Countywide. "


                        If there is one lesson for anyone to learn it is become knowledgeable about the administration of your department, career and volunteer alike, but especially for volunteers. There is more to the fire department than riding apparatus.
                        "If you put the fire out right in the first place, you won't have to jump out the window."
                        Andy Fredericks,
                        FDNY E.48, SQ.18
                        Alexandria, VA F.D.

                        Rest in Peace

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RspctFrmCalgary View Post
                          That link deserves a thread of it's own.

                          The whole article left a bad taste in my mouth. Disgraceful!
                          I concur.

                          And thanks, BC for the update. Maybe with some creative work and a bit of Upper Echelon help things might work out for Riverdale.








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                          If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

                          "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

                          "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

                          Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

                          impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

                          IACOJ member: Cheers, Play safe y'all.

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                          • #28
                            Bump...

                            From what I've read on one of the other sites... As of tomorrow Company 13 will no longer exist.
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