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    Im a probationary firefighter and i need to give a class about the differences between a hale and darley midship pump.I have looked at both websites and Ifsta pumping but I am still having trouble.anything will help.
    Thanks
    Last edited by akelly; 01-20-2007, 10:52 AM.

  • #2
    And why, as a proby, do you have to teach anything?
    Stephen J Bourassa
    Latham FD (NY)
    member since 1969
    challenge competitor since 1993

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    • #3
      We have to give a class every saturday.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fitguy51 View Post
        And why, as a proby, do you have to teach anything?
        Why, as an experienced firefighter, give the proby a chance?
        They might surprise you. Company officer should supervise and interject information when neede. I have had a Company officer delegate classes to each member in company.
        Last edited by kjohn23; 01-20-2007, 10:58 AM.

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        • #5
          I would suggest you pick two pumps of comparable output.

          Then discuss the differences in operation, controls, methods of use etc.

          Keep it simple.
          Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
          Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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          • #6
            Thank you for your suggestion..do you know any of the main differences..
            we Have a

            Darley LDM 1000
            single stage
            9'' impeller
            pump gear ratio of 2.57 to 1

            hale QSG 125-23S
            1250
            single stage
            9'' impeller
            pump gear ratio 2.28 to 1
            Last edited by akelly; 01-20-2007, 02:24 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by akelly View Post
              Thank you for your suggestion..do you know any of the main differences..
              we Have a

              Darley LDM 1000
              single stage
              9'' impeller
              pump gear ratio of 2.57 to 1

              hale QSG 125-23S
              1250
              single stage
              9'' impeller
              pump gear ratio 2.28 to 1


              There you go Kelly, use the KISS principal.

              Don't try to BS them either. If you are asked a question and don't know the answer, say you don't. Don't just give an answer to be doing so.


              Good Luck.
              Stay Safe and Well Out There....

              Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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              • #8
                Originally posted by akelly View Post
                Thank you for your suggestion..do you know any of the main differences..
                we Have a

                Darley LDM 1000
                single stage
                9'' impeller
                pump gear ratio of 2.57 to 1

                hale QSG 125-23S
                1250
                single stage
                9'' impeller
                pump gear ratio 2.28 to 1
                The name on the pump housing, for one...

                Layout of the gauge package.
                Types of gauges ( analog, digital, combination)
                Location of pressure relief valve/governor.
                Operation of the above item.
                Pumping capacity.
                Number of discharges.
                Types of discharges ( ball valve, elctric actuated, air actuated, ,orse type, etc.)
                ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by akelly View Post
                  Thank you for your suggestion..do you know any of the main differences..
                  we Have a

                  Darley LDM 1000
                  single stage
                  9'' impeller
                  pump gear ratio of 2.57 to 1

                  hale QSG 125-23S
                  1250
                  single stage
                  9'' impeller
                  pump gear ratio 2.28 to 1
                  The name on the pump housing, for one...

                  Layout of the gauge package.
                  Types of gauges ( analog, digital, combination)
                  Location of pressure relief valve/governor.
                  Operation of the above item.
                  Pumping capacity.
                  Number of discharges.
                  Types of discharges ( ball valve, electrically actuated, air actuated, morse type, etc.)
                  ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                  Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                  • #10
                    To be perfectly honest- Both Hale and Darley are low-bid junk. You should instruct the Chiefs to buy Waterous next time because you are tired of mopping up after those leaking rigs. (admit it, they do leak a lot)

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                    • #11
                      One difference you'll see is that Darley uses packing "pellets" while Hale uses graphite packing rope. I'm not sure if Darley is using mechanical seals or not, but Hale does as an option on some pumps, and standard on the larger pumps.

                      Go a little further into their sites and see if you can find some maintenance documents and such. Look at the schematics and diagrams, you'll see some differences in each of them. If I remember right, there's some small differences when it comes to the priming systems. You might also see how they are arranged. For example, the Hale pumps we've got have the discharge side of the pump built on top of the intake side. Waterous has them side-by-side. Not sure how Darley is built, we've got one at my career department but I try to stay far away from it when possible.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks everyone for your help !!!

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