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  • the1141man
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    A spokesman for the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority said the train operator had a green light when she proceeded into the intersection and did not see or hear the firetruck, which had its lights and sirens on.
    I guess this whole big issue would've been avoided if the train just stopped at green lights....

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  • jasper45
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    I'm sorry if you disagree that being so focused on getting to a call is that we miss a 60 ton locomtive and flashing red lights is just plain wrong

    No, what is plain wrong is you sitting up on high, once again, pointing fingers while an investigation is still under way. However, that is exactly what we have come to expect from you now, isn‘t it.
    We have guys like you in my department, who like to point fingers, who like to find blame with rig drivers no matter what. Is the driver wrong here? I don’t know, I don’t believe anything other than speculation has been given so far. Once again, I’ll wait before I start ripping him.


    I'm sorry if my post seem to indicate that I hold apparatus operators responsible for thier actions. I do.
    Drivers are held responsible here, as well, when they’re found to be in the wrong. Maybe, if you ever drove an emergency vehicle in a town that has more than 3 stop lights, you might understand that some accidents are unavoidable, on the part of the apparatus driver. Stuff happens. Sometimes people hit your rig no matter what you do, or how many green lights you stop at.
    We have very good drivers here, we have a great training program in place when drivers are promoted, and we still have accidents. Very few of them are found to have the rig driver at fault.

    Quit going out of your way to find these guys at fault. IF they are at fault the investigation will reveal that. Has this accident investigation been concluded yet?


    From the article YOU posted :

    The collision is under investigation, but Tepich said the train has the right of way, especially when the light is red.

    The key words are UNDER INVESTIGATION.

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  • Leeland
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    Train VS Firetruck

    Well from what I remember from my drivers training, if a train is coming, we wait. This comes from a ladder truck that tried to beat a train to a crossing, the truck lost and it cost the lives of at least two volunteer fire fighters.

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  • LaFireEducator
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    It has nothing to do with wanting to hand fireman out to dry.

    It has everything to do with reducing LODDs, especially those that occur even before we get an incident. I'm sorry if you disagree that being so focused on getting to a call is that we miss a 60 ton locomtive and flashing red lights is just plain wrong, but to me, that tunnek vision just rediculious. We know where the trains are ... it isn't that hard to make sure the tracks are clear.

    I'm sorry if my post seem to indicate that I hold apparatus operators responsible for thier actions. I do. It's the drivers responsibility to follow department policy, which according to a Chief officer he did not. It's the driver's responsibility and it's the law in most states to clear intersections and train tracks before passing through/over. In the past few weeks there have been several examples, including this one, where the driver obviously did not. We are not responding safely. And we are killing and injuring firefighters ans civilians because we are not. That is exactly what this post has to do with.

    As I said, in the past 2 years we had a firefighter killed when he was hit by a train while responding, and just last year 2 EMTs were killed when thier ambulance was hit by a train while hauling a patient. that accident occurred while the ambo was backing over the tracks at slow speed after just loading.
    And a few years ago an engine hit a train and caused a major derailment in Virginia with several deaths and like 60-70 injuries responding to a car fire. There is simply no excuse for missing or trying to outrun a train. None.

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  • jasper45
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    Are you just itching to hang firemen out to dry? It seems an aweful lot like you are to me.
    This has nothing to do with your 'green light' stop policy.

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  • LaFireEducator
    started a topic Trains and Firetrucks

    Trains and Firetrucks

    Train hits firetruck near downtown Los Angeles.
    Updated: 12-25-2006 01:17:15 PM

    Ten passengers and a firefighter were taken to hospitals for minor injuries Friday evening when a Blue Line commuter train struck a firetruck on an emergency call near downtown Los Angeles, authorities said.

    The ladder truck and its crew were crossing Washington Boulevard at Central Avenue about 5 p.m. when the accident occurred, police and fire officials said.

    "It looks like a big oops," said Los Angeles Police Sgt. Jeff Tepich, who was on the scene. "If [the train] is pulling a lot of weight even at a slow speed it's hard to stop."

    The six-car train, which was carrying passengers from downtown Los Angeles to Long Beach, struck the center of the ladder truck and derailed, blocking both tracks. The truck was on its way to a small fire; a second engine was sent in its place.

    A spokesman for the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority said the train operator had a green light when she proceeded into the intersection and did not see or hear the firetruck, which had its lights and sirens on.

    "She said she did not hear the firetruck, but when she saw it in the intersection she used the emergency brake," spokesman Dave Sotero said.

    "It is a notorious bad intersection," Assistant Fire Chief Ralph M. Terrazas said.

    In response to several fatal collisions along the Blue Line route, flashing yellow signs have been added to warn motorists turning right on Washington to watch for the crossing train. No such warnings have been installed on Central.

    The collision is under investigation, but Tepich said the train has the right of way, especially when the light is red.

    "Our policy is to come to a complete stop at all red lights and stop signs before entering an intersection," Terrazas said.


    The train, which was traveling in an area with a speed limit of 35 mph, was carrying about 250 rush-hour commuters, he said. City Fire Department personnel said they assessed about 25 passengers for mostly minor injuries at the scene.

    The injured firefighter was working as the apparatus operator, steering the long truck from the rear. After the crash, he complained of back and neck pain, Terrazas said.

    The tracks were closed in both directions for more than three hours while officials investigated the crash and removed debris.

    The firetruck was towed, and the train, with a crushed front windshield, was pushed back onto the tracks.

    Dozens of commuters walked down Central Avenue in the dark between the San Pedro and Washington stations, where transit service began and ended. Additional buses were added to bridge the service interruption, Sotero said.

    Under MTA policy, the driver was required to be tested for possible drug and alcohol use.


    I guess the train should have yielded.

    We're in such a rush that we miss a train? C'mon guys ... even the most hardcore go get em' boys have to admit that not seeing a train and not stopping at tracks, even if the warning lights aren't flashing is a little over the top. In this case the article seems to indicate that the apapratus may have had a red light, which makes the situation even worse. And it appears that the apparatus may have voliated department policy about stopping, according to a fire department official.

    Two years ago a firefighter in south Louisiana was killed because he didn't see a train on the way to an EMS call. How much time is it going to take to stop at tracks and check? Really ...

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