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    BLEVE: lots of booms

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmmLvAYqkI

    Flashover/Smoke Explosion? Also shows good example of evacuation signal by the engine man.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15VxYzzjpKM

    Really big Flashover: German Grocery Store

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io15LR6XTJI&NR
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

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    Lots of idiots on the roof without airpacks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG9C...elated&search=
    Steve Dragon
    FFII, Fire Instructor II, Fire Officer I, Fire Appartus Driver Operator Certified
    Volunteers are never "off duty".
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    • #3
      how not to heel a ladder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNIKEX9mmQ

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      • #4
        after watching those videos, was just wondering how many people actually place there ladder between electric lines? or right underneath them? thought that was kind of a dangerous action

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        • #5
          Yet more examples of why not to operate on a peaked roof. How a bout taking the windows in the attic? And yes, if you have a TL you use it under the wires, most likely they are telephone and cable that low on the pole 99% of the time they are. Atleast in Con Ed country i.e. NY State

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dragonfyre View Post
            Lots of idiots on the roof without airpacks.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG9C...elated&search=
            Yeah those guys took quite the feed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
              Yet more examples of why not to operate on a peaked roof. How a bout taking the windows in the attic? And yes, if you have a TL you use it under the wires, most likely they are telephone and cable that low on the pole 99% of the time they are. Atleast in Con Ed country i.e. NY State
              I don't see why that's an example of why not to vent a peaked roof? I'm assuming it's not a truss roof, looks like an older house and they probably wouldn't have been up there if it was. However, that's a pretty large, open attic space. They opened the roof, limited the horizontal spread of fire, vented some heat and smoke, and made it much easier for the line inside.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HalliganHook111 View Post
                I'm assuming and they probably
                That's how people get hurt, with assumptions and probabilities.
                Steve Dragon
                FFII, Fire Instructor II, Fire Officer I, Fire Appartus Driver Operator Certified
                Volunteers are never "off duty".
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                • #9
                  111 youre not from 111 so Ill explain my answer. FDNY does not operate on peaked roof's because of the dangers involved in it. I never knew the reasons cause our books dont say why, so I asked one of the Chiefs who has 28 years on the job. Simply stated, its just not worth it. Our main job is to protect life, then property. OUR lives are always at stake, why risk it anymore than it has to be. That fire was burning for quite sometime, it doesnt get dark in 6 minutes anywhere in the world, that was edited for time obviously. We all love to save peoples possesions but a fire that ends up blowing through the roof when its vented is already in an advanced state, and it was plain to see to the viewer that cutting from the Aerial was not doing much, so switching to the ground ladder was the next move. All the surronding depts of NYC do this, why I have no idea. We vent roofs for top floor fires on FLAT or SLIGHTLY pitched roofs. If its done from a TL bucket on a peaked roof youre to be secured with the life saving rope, its in Ladders 6 if im not mistaken. Im as gung ho as the next guy, but its just not worth getting killed for nothing!

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                  • #10
                    Also that house was a 1 and a half story cape, the attic may be long, but if it wasnt dormered you would have a tough time walking around unless you were 5 feet tall, kind of like every house in Nassau from the 40's and 50's

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                    • #11
                      That second video was a flashover not a smoke explosion/backdraft. There was no rapid expansion of smoke. just my thoughts on that first post.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dragonfyre View Post
                        Lots of idiots on the roof without airpacks.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG9C...elated&search=
                        I guess that makes the entire Chicago Fire Department idiots. We walk peaked roofs and open them up all the time. The roofmen never wear airpacks. Just because you don't understand the reason for something or don't do it wherever you work at does not make it wrong. You need to get out more.

                        One thing we don't do is use a saw on a peaked roof. Axe only.
                        I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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                        • #13
                          I gave reasons for doing it, didnt say I never did. Either you get tough Enginemen like we have here in NY or you risk someones health and safety for minimal relief of conditions on the fire floor.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dragonfyre View Post
                            Lots of idiots on the roof without airpacks.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG9C...elated&search=
                            WTF!!!! I mean WTF!!!!

                            It got dark, it got dark and they were still ****ing about with a house fire!!!

                            Get in there, get into the loft, put the fire out, remove a few tiles if you need to, check it is cool and go home. Christ. I've seen Factory Fires put out quicker than that!!!!
                            Steve Dude
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
                              I gave reasons for doing it, didnt say I never did. Either you get tough Enginemen like we have here in NY or you risk someones health and safety for minimal relief of conditions on the fire floor.
                              I guess the appropriate answer to this would be for you to grow a pair and get on the roof - sissy. But I wasn't talking to you. You have given me the reasons you don't work peaked roofs in the past. I was responding to Dragonfyre - so you can ignore the sissy comment.
                              I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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