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  • Major school bus crash

    In Huntsville, AL
    2 confirmed dead and 24 taken to hospital and some serious
    Firefighter for Vestal 32-2

    American Red Cross Volunteer

  • #2
    found this on CNN's site

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/20/bus....ap/index.html

    School bus plunges off I-565 overpass
    POSTED: 1:04 p.m. EST, November 20, 2006
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    HUNTSVILLE, Alabama (AP) -- A school bus carrying about 20 high school students plunged 30 feet off an interstate Monday and overturned, injuring an undetermined number of people, authorities said.

    The bus ended up below the I-565 overpass.

    "Huntsville has never seen an accident like this," police spokesman Wendell Johnson said.

    "Right now, we're just trying to stabilize injuries, save lives and we'll get more information as it's available."

    City schools spokesman Keith Ward said the bus had left the Huntsville Center for Technology. He said about 20 students were aboard when it plunged 30 feet from the road.

    State trooper spokeswoman Dorris Teague said she did not have any immediate information on the accident.

    Huntsville Times photographer Eric Schultz said sheets had been spread near the wrecked bus.

    Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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    • #3
      Heres a live newscast
      http://www.whnt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5707284
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      • #4
        I clipped the following from a news repot on Yahoo.com. :

        The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the wreck. The agency has said that school buses are designed to protect occupants without the need for seat belts.

        I'm sorry, but I think we (as a country) need to get with the program and put seatbelts in these busses. Sure, the money issue, the "will the kids even wear them" issue. We tell them to buckle up all the time, yet in the same breath we are saying it's ok not to have seatbelts on busses?

        It just kills me. I hate seeing this stuff happen. Yet, somehow, someway we just watch it happen and seem to do nothing.

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        • #5
          Seat belt use is required by law. So...why doesn't every vehicle, school buses included...have seat belts for all passengers? It's time to stop the charade and DEMAND our children be afforded the same opportunity to belt up...as every auto passenger has.

          By DESIREE HUNTER
          Associated Press Writer
          HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) - A school bus packed with high school
          students plunged off an interstate overpass and crashed nose-first
          30 feet below, killing at least three students and causing numerous
          injuries, several described as critical, authorities said.
          Police Chief Rex Reynolds said an orange Toyota Celica driven by
          another high school student apparently came close to or struck the
          bus, causing it to plow through the concrete rail on the elevated
          section of I-565 and crash onto Church Street below. Two teenage
          girls died at the scene, he said, and a third died of injuries at a
          hospital.
          More than 30 Lee High School students and the bus driver were
          taken to Huntsville Hospital, which became a hectic trauma center
          with emergency physicians and staff called in to help as ambulances
          brought in the severely injured.
          Five people, including the bus driver, had undergone surgery at
          Huntsville Hospital by Monday night, a hospital spokeswoman said.
          Reynolds said the driver and a passenger in the Celica went to a
          hospital following the crash, but he was not aware if they were
          treated for injuries.
          He said the driver, also a Lee High student, was interviewed by
          police and was released after 9 p.m., but he said Tuesday night
          that it would not be fair to comment on whether or not charges
          would be filed in the case.
          Students on the bus, which was not equipped with seat belts,
          were screaming when rescue workers arrived. "They were thrown all
          over the bus," said Huntsville Fire Chief Dusty Underwood.
          Some had to be extracted from the crumpled front of the bus, he
          said.
          Before help arrived, terrified students tried to climb from the
          wreckage. "They were falling on each other. People were screaming,
          yelling, crying," said LaWanda Jefferson, 16, who suffered
          fractures to her left arm and cuts and bruises to her face. "I was
          scared, panicking and just getting ready to cry."
          Reynolds said the bus was still upright when emergency officials
          arrived at the scene, and they pushed it onto its side.
          The police chief identified the high school students who died at
          the scene as Christina Collier, 18, and Nicole Ford, 17. A third,
          Tanesha Hill, 17, died at the hospital from her injuries,
          Huntsville Hospital CEO David Spillers said.
          Hospital officials said the horror of the wreck was compounded
          by the inability of hospital staff to identify some of the more
          severely injured students who were unable to talk and had no
          identification on them. Frantic parents went to the scene, where
          some students sat dazed or lay draped in white sheets, and to the
          hospital to find their children.
          Jefferson called her grandmother on a cell phone.
          "All I could hear was screaming in my ears," the grandmother,
          Doris Harris, told The Associated Press in an interview with her
          and her granddaughter at a hospital. "Screaming and crying and her
          saying something about the bus."
          Harris said parents arriving at the scene were angered when
          police kept them back and had little information about their
          children. At Huntsville Hospital, she said, the scene was chaotic
          and "wall to wall people" at first, with confusion over names of
          patients called out.
          "You come in and you hear loud screams, people falling on the
          floor," she said. "I was hysterical. It's so loud with the
          talking, the noise. Everyone was saying, `Did they call my baby's
          name?' I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy."
          Brooke Thorington, a spokeswoman for the state Department of
          Education in Montgomery, said the bus driver was in critical
          condition. The police chief earlier said hospital personnel were
          able to speak with the driver.
          "It looks like the bus plunged headfirst," said Johnson, the
          police spokesman. "Huntsville has never seen an accident like
          this,"
          "This is a heartbreaking tragedy," said Gov. Bob Riley in a
          statement in Montgomery.
          Keith Ward, a spokesman for the city school system, said the bus
          was transporting Lee High School students who attend the Center for
          Technology in Huntsville, where students can receive special
          science and math credits. The police chief said the bus was on the
          way to the center when the wreck occurred.
          Jefferson, one of the students on the bus, told the AP that
          students were in a good mood, talking, joking, laughing. Then she
          saw a red car speed by the right side of the bus, she said, and
          suddenly she was flying from the right side of the bus to the left.
          "The bus went to the side, and I guess it went over," she
          said. "When it was falling ... I was just glad when it hit the
          ground."
          She said that if there had been seat belts on the bus "most
          folks would not have gotten injured like this."
          The National Transportation Safety Board, which is to
          investigate the wreck, has said that school buses are designed to
          protect occupants - from kindergartners to high school seniors -
          without the need for seat belts. A new design system uses strong,
          well-padded, high-backed seats, closely spaced together, the NTSB
          has said.
          However, NTSB board member Debbie Hersman said at a news
          conference Monday night that the board last week added school bus
          safety to its list of most wanted transportation safety
          improvements. She said the board is recommending that new standards
          be devised to improve safety when buses are involved in rollover
          crashes.
          Huntsville schools Superintendent Ann Roy Moore said a decision
          on utilizing seat belts on school buses needs to be made at the
          federal and state level.
          Thorington, the state school board spokeswoman, said that since
          1969, there has been only one school bus fatality in Alabama. She
          said it occurred in 1999.
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          • #6
            Yes, school buses are designed to handle a normal crash without seatbelts. But somehow I don't think this design took into account flipping the bus off of a bridge. I think it is safe to say this kind of crash probably removed most occupants from their protective seats making that "design" kinda pointless. The protective seat doesn't help a passenger that is airborn. Clearly, seatbelts would have made a major difference in the outcome here. Obviously there would be a lot of hurting, but I doubt it would be as bad as this.

            It has been about 7 or 8 years since i rode a school bus. I can tell you right now that it would take a miracle to enact seatbelt rules on a school bus. Its been how many years without them now? And people enjoy the freedom of not being tied down. It would be absolute hell getting seatbelts to be used on school buses. Also, remember this is one accident. It isn't like we are killing childred left and right on school buses so I doubt it will be motivation enough to make it happen.
            Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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            • #7
              School buses are tough, if you haven't watched Ron Moore's webcast I highly recommend it. I've also been to one bus vs vehicle accident where the car was destroyed from the A-post forward with the driver entrapped and yet the bus drove off and could have finished its route. That thoughnes is great but it is totally useless in a rollover. I think seatbelts should required equipment.

              Seat belts in school buses would pay off in more ways than protecting students. If they became mandatory today, just think about the positive impact they would have 16 years from now. Those kids would have gone from buckled into a car seat to buckled into a booster seat to buckled into a school bus. When they start to drive, putting on the seat belt will be second nature.

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              • #8
                God be with the families of those killed and a speedy recovery to those injured.
                Tom Warshaw
                Station 13 (Bethel)
                Sumter Fire Department

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                • #9
                  On the news report I watched on tv they said it was a cluster to try and get names and contact info to find out who was who and who needed to be contacted since most of the kids didn't carry any sort of ID.

                  We have never had to deal with anything like this and I have a question. Should some sort of list be carried on the bus with a students name and contact info or have students carry school ID's or something to aid in identification of the student and who needs to be contacted?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Firefighter2230
                    Should some sort of list be carried on the bus with a students name and contact info or have students carry school ID's or something to aid in identification of the student and who needs to be contacted?
                    Not a bad idea, or you could give the students school i.d.'s with the same idea. You most definatly wouldn't want to much info on the ID in case they lost one though (in my opinion). Thet would of course be up to the school.

                    The downside to both;
                    As for the list, around here anyway, the busses make multiple stops. Pick up some, drop a few off, pick up some more,drop some more off. Also, kids sometimes get on a different bus to go to a friends house. It would be hard to keep the list accurate.
                    The downside to the ID's would be cost for one. I can't imagine they cost much, but we all know how tight budgeted our schools are these days. Te other downside, chances are some kids would forget them.

                    I'm all for your idea of having some type of acountability on busses, I just suppose the school and bus service would have to figure out the best way to do it.

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                    • #11
                      My thoughts are with the Fire/EMS and Police that responded. That's a tough run...Even for tough people.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tfpd109
                        Not a bad idea, or you could give the students school i.d.'s with the same idea. You most definatly wouldn't want to much info on the ID in case they lost one though (in my opinion). Thet would of course be up to the school.

                        The downside to both;
                        As for the list, around here anyway, the busses make multiple stops. Pick up some, drop a few off, pick up some more,drop some more off. Also, kids sometimes get on a different bus to go to a friends house. It would be hard to keep the list accurate.
                        The downside to the ID's would be cost for one. I can't imagine they cost much, but we all know how tight budgeted our schools are these days. Te other downside, chances are some kids would forget them.

                        I'm all for your idea of having some type of acountability on busses, I just suppose the school and bus service would have to figure out the best way to do it.
                        Thats true about kids getting on and off I thought that the bus was on a fieldtrip or had a certain group of students that it was taking somewhere.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Firefighter2230
                          Thats true about kids getting on and off I thought that the bus was on a fieldtrip or had a certain group of students that it was taking somewhere.
                          That could very well be, and in that case, a sheet with info would work. Guess I never thought of this until you mentioned it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
                            My thoughts are with the Fire/EMS and Police that responded. That's a tough run...Even for tough people.
                            Ya. That thought has been running through my mind since the story was first posted.
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                            • #15
                              I thought buses were already required to have seatbelts. The problem is getting the kids to wear them. With 100 kids on a bus with just one driver, it is a very hard policy/law to enforce.
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