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  • Professional FF's of Massachusetts & Deval Patrick

    I heard an unconfirmed rumor that the PFFM has endorsed Deval Patrick. Nothing on their web-site. Do any of the other PFFM members know if this is true? Thanks.

  • #2
    He's a democrat right? Then of course the PFFM and IAFF back him! What a joke, the IAFF is the largest Union in the country who's majority of membership are registered republicans. While I'm no GW supporter I remember the IAFF and PFFM supporting John Kerry too!

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    • #3
      I don't know whether you're on the job in MA or in the PFFM but the reason I'm asking is there was a lot of speculation that they weren't going to endorse anybody this time because Patrick is a lunatic.

      While I agree with most of what you've said you haven't really added anything helpful.

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      • #4
        I'm glad to hear that atleast they are considering no endorsement vs. always endorsing the democrat no matter what? I'm not a member of the PFFM, but I was a member and past local pres. in the IAFF and was consistantly annoyed with the polcitics as usual within.

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        • #5
          Deval Patrick a lunatic? Come on. No more of a lunatic than Shannon O'Brien was last time around.

          I have to agree, as a former member of 2 Massachusetts locals (and thereby a member of the PFFM) I have to say that the PFFM has yet to endorse any candidate that I know of with an (R) after their name in any of these types of races.

          Maybe they will get smart and realize that supporting a candidate does nothing to help the candidate in the view of the general public, but only benefits them (sometimes) with state/local spending issues.

          While Patrick is running all over the state spouting off that he will put 1,000 new police officers on the streets with state money, he is wooing every freaking politician in every city and police unions seem to be flocking to support him. Putting 1,000 LEOs on the streets of Massachusetts is a drop in the bucket; especially given that Boston is 200-300 officers UNDER their city-mandated staffing.

          While I may no longer live in Massachusetts, and currently have no desire to move back.........If Deval Patrick is elected, I know that I will not move back there. And I think that you will see a lot more people move out of Massachusetts for a lot of reasons - not to mention that your taxes will go up, the jobs will leave, and people can live better elsewhere. Despite what teh Dems in Mass. say - it is not Romney's fault that people are leaving, it is the atmosphere there and the cost of living.
          "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

          The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

          "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

          "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

          www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.heritage.org

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          • #6
            There's really been no other option in the years I've been involved in the PFFM and MA politics other than supporting Dems. After all, we work to elect our friends and defeat our enemies. What Republican candidate has not wanted to gut the retirement system and weaken Civil Service? The current candidate, Kerry Healy, is said to have been shocked-shocked! to learn that some communities have more than one person on a fire truck.

            The PFFM, IAFF, or any other union should look at how a candidate will support their goals before endorsing them. If Massachusetts Republicans want the firefighters' support, they'll have to start supporting us.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by clancyxdogg
              There's really been no other option in the years I've been involved in the PFFM and MA politics other than supporting Dems. After all, we work to elect our friends and defeat our enemies.

              And look where it has gotten them? Not saying that I disagree with your point, just that I disagree with unions in general getting their hands into the political mix.

              It has just as much likelihood of backfiring as it would to help. I think that this applies especially at the local community level.


              Originally posted by clancyxdogg
              What Republican candidate has not wanted to gut the retirement system and weaken Civil Service?
              True. I agree 100%. However, some of it needs to be reformed. And with the underfunding of the retirement system that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the local communities have done for years.

              So it is just like Social Security, you fix it now or you fix it later. Either way someone will bitch and it won't be pretty.

              But these communities and the state need to step up to the plate for their own failings in the past. Won't hold my breath on that happening, but it just might some day.


              Originally posted by clancyxdogg
              The current candidate, Kerry Healy, is said to have been shocked-shocked! to learn that some communities have more than one person on a fire truck.
              "Is said to...." Firm it up a bit and it might be believable. Either way, your choices for governor...........um.........Suck. The people deserve the government they elect. Just don't bitch when the budgets go South, the taxes go up, and guys get cut. An inevitability given the track record of Massachusetts politics.


              Originally posted by clancyxdogg
              The PFFM, IAFF, or any other union should look at how a candidate will support their goals before endorsing them. If Massachusetts Republicans want the firefighters' support, they'll have to start supporting us.
              Politicians should do what is right, not what a union or group wants them to do. Doesn't happen, and likely won't happen - but that is how it should work.

              I just think that the unions and the PFFM would be better off shutting their mouths and not endorsing any candidate. I don't see much benefit in doing so (in results.)
              "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

              The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

              "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

              "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

              www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.heritage.org

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DaSharkie
                And look where it has gotten them? Not saying that I disagree with your point, just that I disagree with unions in general getting their hands into the political mix. Well, it has gotten a guy with a high school diploma a $70,000 a year job, without having to know the mayor or hold signs for the city councilor. Pretty good if you ask me.
                Fire Dept's are such political animals that it is naive to think any union local should stay out of politics.


                It has just as much likelihood of backfiring as it would to help. I think that this applies especially at the local community level.
                Tell that to the guys in the Worcester local.

                True. I agree 100%. However, some of it needs to be reformed. Hmm, how come just about everyone who wants to "reform" Civil Service doesn't have a Civil Service Job?


                "Is said to...." Firm it up a bit and it might be believable. Uh, I didn't cite any sources 'cause I wasn't submitting it to Newsweek, I was throwing it out semi-anonymously on an internet website. Do you footnote your posts? Also, there's a difference between verifiable and believable. I haven't heard any reporter verify the remark, but it's very believable.

                Either way, your choices for governor...........um.........Suck. The people deserve the government they elect. Just don't bitch when the budgets go South, the taxes go up, and guys get cut. An inevitability given the track record of Massachusetts politics. It would be interesting to compare firefighter benefits, salaries, and manning levels in MA to wherever you are now. Usually, we compare pretty well with the right-to-work states.



                Politicians should do what is right, not what a union or group wants them to do. Doesn't happen, and likely won't happen - but that is how it should work.
                Politicians shouldn't do what the people who elected them tell them to do?? who gets to decide what's "right"?
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                • #9
                  I just wanted to know if the PFFM had endorsed Patrick or not.

                  Personally, I don't agree with him. I think that his views are radical.

                  If you believe that illegal aliens should get in-state college tuition, have drivers licenses, be provided with public housing and benefit from affirmative action programs in the name of "diversity" than he is probably a decent candidate. If you also believe that we do not pay enough in taxes, and Canada has an effective, well-run health care system than he's a great candidate.

                  By the way, saying that Healy was "shocked-shocked" that fire apparatus had more than one person means nothing. It's simply hearsay and should not be taken with any confidence.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NortheastFF
                    I just wanted to know if the PFFM had endorsed Patrick or not.

                    Personally, I don't agree with him. I think that his views are radical.

                    If you believe that illegal aliens should get in-state college tuition, have drivers licenses, be provided with public housing and benefit from affirmative action programs in the name of "diversity" than he is probably a decent candidate. If you also believe that we do not pay enough in taxes, and Canada has an effective, well-run health care system than he's a great candidate.

                    By the way, saying that Healy was "shocked-shocked" that fire apparatus had more than one person means nothing. It's simply hearsay and should not be taken with any confidence.
                    Unfortunately, it's the mindset of many a politician. They think the BRT puts out the fire. I have it from a very relaible source I work with at the Academy that Kerry Healy actually asked the following question at an EMS 2000 public hearing...

                    "Why does an ambulance need two EMT's or Paramedics to staff it...can't they get by with just one?"
                    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                    Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NortheastFF
                      I just wanted to know if the PFFM had endorsed Patrick or not.

                      Personally, I don't agree with him. I think that his views are radical.

                      If you believe that illegal aliens should get in-state college tuition, have drivers licenses, be provided with public housing and benefit from affirmative action programs in the name of "diversity" than he is probably a decent candidate. If you also believe that we do not pay enough in taxes, and Canada has an effective, well-run health care system than he's a great candidate.

                      By the way, saying that Healy was "shocked-shocked" that fire apparatus had more than one person means nothing. It's simply hearsay and should not be taken with any confidence.
                      Why the hell should the PFFM care about anybody's stance on illegal aliens? What do you think Marie Antoinette-Healy would do for us? Anything good? Also, please supply the citation for your claim that Deval Patrick has publicly admired how Canadian health care is administered. Otherwise, it's simply hearsay and should not be taken with any confidence.

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                      • #12
                        The PFFM should absolutely care for one reason: illegal aliens are taking away UNION jobs! Why should businesses hire union carpenters, masons, waiters, hotel housekeepers, etc., etc., when they can get the same for a lesser price through illegals!

                        I don't know what town you're in but if it's in SE MA I'm realtively sure that it's at least somewhat economically depressed (IE New Bedford or Fall River). When are these communities going to realize that no one at the state house really cares about them? It's sort of like being out in Springfield or the Berkshires, you're forgotten about! The only time anyone pays attention to those cities is around election time. Now, if this offends you I'm sorry, but it's true. Kerry may not be the totally ideal candidate for us but given the choices she is the best we've got.

                        Take sometime and read Deval's web. The similarities that he's suggesting between his plan and Canada's are striking. By this I mean he would provide coverge for anyone not already covered by Medicare or Medicaid. This is comparable to Canada's system in that everyone is covered. Most people who know would agree that Canada's system is not a crowning achievement.

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                        • #13
                          But the only reason that a union backs a candidate is becasue of the issues directly related to law enforcement or fire suppression, or this or that.

                          And I am not saying that unions should not be political - just that they should not publicly endorse a candidate. First off, no one really gives a damn about it. Secondly, if your candidate loses the winner has a long memory and they the union bitches about how they are getting screwed over by them. Go talk to the folks in Fitchburg and see how things have been working out with Dan Mylott.


                          And I did have a civil service job when I was living in Massachusetts. All I am saying is that some things do need to be tweaked every now and then, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse, but they still need to be addressed.

                          And comparing benefits and salaries is OK, but a livable wage in Florida, North Carolina, or Tennessee is a lot less than a wage needed to survive in Boston, NYC, or other places. Staffing is staffing, but when I tell people where I live now that I was laid off as a firefighter, they can't believe or understand it. In Massachusetts shutting down companies and cutting manpower is the norm. Not that I agree with it necessarily. Talk to the guys in Fitchburg again who work without a ladder company in one of the most densely packed areas in Mass. Or the guys in Gloucester who shut down a house and a woman died in that response district last week. Or the guys in springfield who were gutted a few years ago. This most certainly affects staffing, manning, equipment, and stations.

                          And unions, PACs, and organizations do not elect people. Individual citizens elect people which is the point of the thread. The political opinions of the PFFM, IAFF, IBPA, IBEO, UAW, AFL-CIO do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the membership. Yet the membership lets these people tell them what to vote for and who to vote for.

                          The PFFM most certainly did not reflect the views of about 80% of the guys working on my department when they supported Shannon O'Brien.

                          And even if the PFFM does choose to support Deval Patrick it does nto guarantee a damned thing from his administration. This is the crux of my point.
                          "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

                          The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

                          "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

                          "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

                          www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.heritage.org

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                          • #14
                            Got this the other day--


                            Dear PFFM Union Member:

                            A reminder that Tuesday, November 7, 2006 is Election Day. Please make every effort to vote. Please remind your family members, co-workers, and friends to go to the polls and vote on Tuesday, November 7, 2006.

                            We, as a union, have not formally endorsed a candidate for the office of Governor. We are confident you will vote for the person who will support our principals, Goals, and objectives to work in a safe environment with a Collective Bargaining agreement that is fair and equitable and a pension assuring our members can retire with respect and dignity.

                            We would be remiss if we did not inform you that in our opinion, Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey should not be considered for your vote for Governor. Kerry Healy’s actions as Lieutenant Governor over the past few years have been detrimental to you and our members. The Romney-Kerry Healey administration has a record of being anti-union, anti-public employee and anti-fire service.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by clancyxdogg
                              Got this the other day--


                              Dear PFFM Union Member:

                              A reminder that Tuesday, November 7, 2006 is Election Day. Please make every effort to vote. Please remind your family members, co-workers, and friends to go to the polls and vote on Tuesday, November 7, 2006.

                              We, as a union, have not formally endorsed a candidate for the office of Governor. We are confident you will vote for the person who will support our principals, Goals, and objectives to work in a safe environment with a Collective Bargaining agreement that is fair and equitable and a pension assuring our members can retire with respect and dignity.

                              We would be remiss if we did not inform you that in our opinion, Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey should not be considered for your vote for Governor. Kerry Healy’s actions as Lieutenant Governor over the past few years have been detrimental to you and our members. The Romney-Kerry Healey administration has a record of being anti-union, anti-public employee and anti-fire service.

                              Good thing they're not formally endorsing a candidate... Just bad mouthing the one they don't like ! Ah, politics at it's best...

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