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  • #16
    Tones hit - get on the apparatus.

    Miss a call - Charges will be brought forth


    Don't think it will hold up -- Try missing a call!


    It is the job of a firefighter to respond to all calls upon which the member is assigned to a company and that company is called to respond to.


    Stay Safe and Well Out There....

    Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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    • #17
      dunno

      I dunno, but would this be like if Bill Clinton decided to hold up a world decision making process until Monica got through servicing him and then saved the dress with the "gravy stains" to take to court? Wasn't it the senior Bush who said we are living in a kinder and gentler world? Please don't offend me because i will take pictures and record everything and sue you. Good grief; if there are rules of the job clearly spelled out, and there should be, then deal with it and get over it. And the killing goes on in the world arena. PC drives me nuts. Okay, I'm over it now.

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      • #18
        So you respond the same way to a reported structure fire as you do to a 10-55 w/o PI?
        Each call is treated the same. If it warrants L&S then respond in a responsible manner. For those goofballs that think you should drive balls to the wall and not use due regard because of the seriousness of the call... then you are in the wrong line of work.

        We as firefighters have an obligation to protect our citizens as well as those on the truck by driving with responsibility.

        Every call gets the same response.

        Tones hit... hit the truck and go. Do not wait. If you miss a call... god forbid.

        I do not agree with the court ruling in DC about the beards. But it has to be dealt with.

        The Muslim issue is interesting. I would think that it would not be a problem for a person (Muslim) on the job that did not want to make it a problem.
        Always remember the CHARLESTON 9

        Captain Grant Mishoe, Curator of History
        North Charleston and American LaFrance Fire Museum
        "You'll never know where you're going until you remember where you came from"
        www.legacyofheroes.org
        www.firehistory.org
        www.sconfire.com

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        • #19
          The Muslim issue is interesting. I would think that it would not be a problem for a person (Muslim) on the job that did not want to make it a problem.


          And that, Ladies and Gentlemen is the key to the problem in general - or at least thats how I see it. I am pretty open when it comes to religious observation and practices, but this and other "issues" are only problems if one or both parties choose to make it a problem. As has been noted, there would appear to be hidden activities that are not known to the media or have not been openly reported. I am very interested to hear what else is going on, if only to get a cleaner, clearer picture of the whole event.
          If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

          "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

          "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

          Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

          impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

          IACOJ member: Cheers, Play safe y'all.

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          • #20
            In Canada anyway it is illigal to voice record a conversation without all parties concerned being aware of the recording, this goes for sitting in lecture halls and conferences too.
            Malahat, in the US it varies from state to state. In some states, both parties must be aware that a conversation is being recorded but others only require that one party know about the recording.

            In Alabama, one participant can legally record a converation without the other participant's knowledge. Comes in handy when you know that other person's gonna lie to you....

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            • #21
              I don't know about that city but here the tax payer's pay me to run 911 calls and take care of the station and equipment they bought us. There's nothing I could find in our SOP's about giving me time to pray,eat,take a shower, have s_x with strippers,look at porn on the station computer,ect........

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              • #22
                Not paid to pray.

                As said before, we are paid to complete our station duties and get on the truck when the call comes in, not to pray. I believe in freedom of religion, but when the call comes in, even if it is a "frequent flyer", we are paid to respond.

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                • #23
                  After seeing some of these comments I figured this may help..........


                  Main Entry: ig·no·rance
                  Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&n(t)s
                  Function: noun
                  : the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MalahatTwo7
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                    And that, Ladies and Gentlemen is the key to the problem in general - or at least thats how I see it. I am pretty open when it comes to religious observation and practices, but this and other "issues" are only problems if one or both parties choose to make it a problem. As has been noted, there would appear to be hidden activities that are not known to the media or have not been openly reported. I am very interested to hear what else is going on, if only to get a cleaner, clearer picture of the whole event.

                    I have to agree with you on this Mal, I think there is more to it. Somebody is upset about something, and I bet that something is missing from the article. Like usual, the press reports 95% or the story, but leaves the important part out.

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                    • #25
                      my opinion

                      Originally posted by firestanggt
                      That is complete BS. I dont care what you believe or where you're from. There are rules, regulations and laws in this country that everyone is expected to follow. There shouldnt be exceptions made for anyone. If someone doesnt want to follow them or are offended by them, too bad. Find another place to work/live.
                      Does this include the US constitution? Which protects the rights of all religions. I would like to present all sides to this issue because I believe it is a test of our melting pot.

                      All persons have the right to follow the religion they choose to, this is a protected right. Muslims are supposed to face the Hajj 5 times a day and pray on the little carpet thingy. Christians are supposed to go to church on the sabath, whenever that may be. Seventh day adventists are not supposed to go to work from sundown friday till sundown saturday. So would it be ok for a firefighter to never work a friday or a saturday? Do volunteers respond from church on sunday morning?

                      Now the issue of damnation. Most religions are peacefull and do not believe in killing others and want you to help your fellow man, woman, and everything inbetween. So the muslim god is Allah, I believe he would have no problem wiith the firefighter getting up and going to help someone (even an infidel). But me and Allah haven't talked about this yet so I can't say for sure
                      Some fire departments swear in new members, to protect life, property, and whatnot. This is were if he was to stay at the station it might be a breach of contract. Now I think I have a solution to this problem. let's find a person maybe serving in Iraq or in the middle east and have that person find out what the department does over there. My personal opinion is this. The only reason this is a HUGE issue is because he is muslim, I don't think this would be as big an issue if he was not. So I would say let him miss the truck and be the call back guy.
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                      Last edited by mcfd45; 09-22-2006, 12:23 AM.
                      It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mcfd45
                        So would it be ok for a firefighter to never work a friday or a saturday?
                        Sure, if the firefighter had the comp/vacation time available and permission from his supervisor.

                        Originally posted by mcfd45
                        Do volunteers respond from church on Sunday morning?
                        Yes.

                        Like I said, I believe in freedom of religion, but missing the truck is not acceptable.

                        Edit: As previously stated, this is probably not the entire story. With that, my opinion, like all others, are subject to change.
                        Last edited by EGH128; 09-22-2006, 03:51 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BFDNJFF
                          After seeing some of these comments I figured this may help..........


                          Main Entry: ig·no·rance
                          Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&n(t)s
                          Function: noun
                          : the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness

                          who are you michael jackson? "youre all just being ignorant"

                          I'm so sick of hearing that.

                          it has nothing to do with ignorance.
                          if the guy missed a call because he was praying to whoever, then its his fault, muslim or not.

                          its breach of duty.

                          it would be no different then if I was watching a football game and missed a call because I wanted to watch the rest of the play.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by EGH128
                            Sure, if the firefighter had the comp/vacation time available and permission from his supervisor.


                            Yes.

                            Like I said, I believe in freedom of religion, but missing the truck is not acceptable.

                            Edit: As previously stated, this is probably not the entire story. With that, my opinion, like all others, are subject to change.
                            I don't know if you could fight that. Do me a favor and look at the Comp/vacation days you have, Do you have enough to take every friday and saturday off? I think you wouldn't have enough. I also don't believe this is the wole story. I think that firestanggt need to realie that he doesn't speak for everyone and that most find his ramblings stupid and funny. hahaha
                            It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

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                            • #29
                              [QUOTE=firestanggt]So you respond the same way to a reported structure fire as you do to a 10-55 w/o PI?

                              Every call is different and you have to play it accordingly. I'm not going to go balls to the wall for a minor 10-55.

                              As for accuracy of calls. They are definately not 100% but usually close. Theyre enough to get a general idea of the urgentcy of the call.[/QUOTE


                              A minor 1055 around here used to be "back when we were using 10 codes,pre nims" a underage drunk driver. I wouldnt be rolling on that anyway.
                              Last edited by newbomb; 09-22-2006, 02:54 PM. Reason: brain fart

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mcfd45
                                I think that firestanggt need to realie that he doesn't speak for everyone and that most find his ramblings stupid and funny. hahaha

                                thanks

                                i love you too

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