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  • #16
    Eric, I talked to you at the South Cook caucus back in March and the AFFI convention. I am a fellow 1st District president. I know Jonathon. I am not sure who is even running for president of the U.S. but my living IS earned by firefighting. I sure as hell am going to support someone who supports things that are going to improve things for my family, country, my fellow firefighters and of course me.
    IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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    • #17
      IAFF convention

      The great thing about this county is you can vote for anyone you want to.

      However, why would anyone support someone who opposes what you do and continues to eliminate funding that will make your job safer seems?

      Unions have always throw their support behind those who support their agenda.

      Politicians love to cut our budgets at any whim.

      If you wish to support someome who endangers my life, your no friend of mine

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      • #18
        Ekhaber,

        How many firefighters did your city have in January 1993? How many did you have in December 2000? I'm asking because I'm curious as to whether under President Clinton's administration your man-power increased dramatically. That was 8 years of someone who was in our corner and most cities had less manpower at the end than at the beginning. If I'm not mistaken we endorsed him twice only to have very little in return.

        I think you might live in Illinois. Mayor Dailey has really been a champion of firefighters, hasn't he? When I was there for the St. Patty's Day Parade a few years back we wouldn't even in March in the Mayors parade, only the South Side. Another good liberal Mayor out for the working man. Did they ever get a contract?

        How many times do you know of a Local endorsing/campaigning for a mayoral candidate, only too have that individual shut down companies or layoff firefighters in the next few years? Let's face it - usually it's a Democrat.

        When I said that 44 of the guys in my firehouse did not support Kerry I was serious. These are good solid guys. Most are Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq Vets. Furthermore most will be at the 9/11 services later tonight as well. So I take it you're telling them that they should leave the fire service and they are not your brother, simply because they take exception with being told who to vote for.

        Overall you made some real nice comments. I can see you hold a real appreciation for differentiating opinions. My guess is that you are type of guy who talks before he thinks and it's probably come back to haunt you before.

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        • #19
          So, if you are so against the endorsements of the IAFF, like it has been explained before, go to the next IAFF convention, submit your resolution backing whoever you want, and argue it. If you still don't like it, the last time I checked, the PAC fund was optional, not requred. Don't give. You seem to be so hung up on partisonship, but it is not about republican or democrat, it is who supports us. If you had followed the convention this year, you will have noted that two DEMOCRATIC mayors in Mass. were unanimously censured by the IAFF for their actions against the unions there. You support those who help your cause, irregardless of affiliation.

          Although I have only met Eric in passing, I am going to say you are out of line. He works in what can be described as an anti-union municipality. When it comes to political action, and the success you can have, you can learn a lot from him and his union.

          Nowhere did he say that you or your 44 coworkers are not brothers. Just not friends.

          Bet your a peach to deal with.
          IACOJ, Flatlander Division

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          • #20
            Sorry Northeast but you are way off base. The Brother from Local 717 HAS HAD HIS LIFE THREATEND by people that supported a crooked REPUBLICAN Town government. Do a web search of Cicero Illinois. Former home of Al Capone and is as bare-knuckled of a place you willl find ANYWHERE. BTW Richard M. Daley is not a liberal democrat. Who celebrated his 60th Birthday this August in Chicago with Richie? President George W. Bush.
            IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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            • #21
              How many firefighters did your city have in January 1993? How many did you have in December 2000?
              I can tell you that we lost 70 positions between 1993 and December 2000.

              If you wish to support someome who endangers my life, your no friend of mine
              If you are supporting a politician because someone else tells you to, you are a fool, and consequently no friend of mine.
              Time and time again we have worked hard to support politicians, and help them get into office, only to have them turn around and stick it in our ***. The truth of the matter is that we are a very small part of the political world, and don’t have the money to be the big player we want to be, or that we think we are.
              Our safety also extends to beyond our jobs, as there are a slew of issues pertinent to our everyday lives. The IAFF is only concerned with our work life.

              The IAFF has provided all Fire Fighter with more than they can imagine. Open your eyes and shut yor mouths.
              I suggest you do the same. Yes, the IAFF has done many things for us, its members. However, what it really boils down to is this, the IAFF is powerless to save jobs. Often times they are very unwilling to help their own dues paying members out. I have seen it first hand.

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              • #22
                pay homage ?? oh please

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                • #23
                  The IAFF has over the years done EXCELLENT things for the ENTIRE fire service. Safe practices that we take for granted today were fought for by our brothers.

                  I am not IAFF. I am just a slimy Vol. to some of you. But, I am UNION PROUD and support the IAFF locals in my area when they need it. I say what they cannot at City Council meetings. One of our City Councilmen works at the same foundry as me and is a Union member but is definately a MUTT.

                  The point is, I applaud the IAFF for its accomplishments, past and present.
                  I.A.C.O.J. Charter Member
                  "Chet, get an inch and a half on that!"

                  "Not for fame or reward,Not for place or rank. Not lured by ambition or goaded by necessity. But in simple obedience to duty as they understood it. These men suffered,sacrificed,dared all, and died. Let us never forget our fallen friends."

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                  • #24
                    The IAFF should be proud of their accomplishments and what they have done for the fire service. Especially their legal guardian program. That alone is worth the dues. It does send a strong message to cities. But as Jasper points out, it is just a pimple on a gnats *** in the big picture.
                    Coming from the building trades, I am fairly impressed though by the broader non-partisan support of politicians, both local and national. Do they still get wrapped up in the feel good, save the children libral BS, of coarse. But here in Minnesota, the building trade unions would endorse a yellow mangy dog if it said it was DFL.
                    My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
                    "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
                    George Mason
                    Co-author of the Second Amendment
                    during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
                    Elevator Rescue Information

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                    • #25
                      The IAFF should be proud of their accomplishments and what they have done for the fire service.

                      I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. I value my membership in the IAFF, and the many things that the international has passed. All I need to do is talk with my dad, and hear his stories from the early to mid-seventies, and what it was like to be a fireman then, as opposed to now.
                      I know in my state, collective bargaining as a right, the heart & lung bill, the pension and health care benefits we now have are just a few of the things the IAFF has helped us with.
                      What I take exception to is a person, or an organization telling me who or what to vote for, and then insulting me, or another brother when we disagree. I stand by my earlier statement, as well; anyone who lets someone else tell them how to vote, is a fool, union or otherwise.

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                      • #26
                        What I take exception to is a person, or an organization telling me who or what to vote for, and then insulting me, or another brother when we disagree. I stand by my earlier statement, as well; anyone who lets someone else tell them how to vote, is a fool, union or otherwise.
                        Absolutely!
                        My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
                        "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
                        George Mason
                        Co-author of the Second Amendment
                        during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
                        Elevator Rescue Information

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                        • #27
                          I have to agree with Jasper and SPFDRum.

                          It's one thing for a candiate to support firefighter issues, but what about all the other issues that you do not agree with, some of which affect the job, for example, illegal immigration. While illegal immigrants may be the reason we are doing more calls, many of them are BS EMS calls that cause diversions in ER's and drive up the cost of health insurance, costing us more money out of our pay each week.

                          Look at the big picture... while the pols say they support us on our stuff, they are tucking it to us on the other side!
                          Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 09-14-2006, 10:46 PM.
                          ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                          Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                          • #28
                            IAFF Convention

                            Mikey and F18Wub thans for the support.

                            Been too busy to reply just headed off arbitration in the last hour and settled a contract (that has been expired for almost a year) that we think is benificial to all comparable locals.

                            I need to thank:
                            The great Dale J Berry (you did it again)
                            AFFI District 2 V.P. Jim Schrepfer (Your amazing at comparables)
                            AFFI District 1 V.P. Danny Fortuna
                            AFFI Officers and staff (you really came thru for us)
                            All the Local Presidents who assisted me in interpreting their contract (call me anytime you need me I will be there)
                            Last but not least the IAFF as a whole. Our contract was built from your blood, sweat, and teers year after year. Thank You.

                            As for NortheastFF and jasper45 I will not respond to all you comments, they are not worthy of my time. I will just tell a couple of success stories we have had thanks to the IAFF, the AFFI and thosands of Union Brothers and Sisters who helped our local (and as I said before any of you can call me any time and I will be there).

                            Politicians have tried to elimiminate our local, make us PSO's, Privitize us, destroy our union, bankrupt us (oh and during all the years this was going us I recieved numerous death threats, my air tank being disconected, my car vandalized, and my wife and 6 month old daughter threatened while I was at work).

                            In responce to these things here is what my Union Brothers and Sisters did:

                            Hundreds came out and helped us campain against a now imprisoned politician.

                            After my wife and baby were threatened over a thosand Union Brothers Marched on Town Hall (while my couisins Chicago PD guarded my family).

                            Union brothers and sisters Called me, gave me advice, and backed me in more ways than you will ever imagine.

                            I can write all day on what my Union has done for me but I dont think you would get it until you walked in my shoes.

                            So if the IAFF asks me to vote for a politician, I will do so blindly, if that makes me a fool I am proud to be one. And this fool will always be grateful to his brothers and sister who did what needed to be done, without question, anytime, anywhere.

                            I have served on my Local Board in one capacity or another for 14 years (my entire career) and I an honored to do so. I dont think my bothers feel I talk before I think, considering we have fought some big fights to help benifit other locals (We beat the residency requirement rule for municipalities under 1,000,000. It went all the way to the supreme court and cost us a couple of hundred thosand dollars, but alot of Unions got their residency requirments dropped because of our victory. It was our honor to help our Union affiliates they have done the same for me).

                            The contract and benifits we just recieved is due to the victories and contracts of thosands of locals. We build on each others blood sweat, and tears.

                            My story is not a unique one. Many Union Brothers and Sisters are threatened every day. Some have even been harmed, jailed, fired, and harassed. But they never gave up they fought for the rights we enjoy today and they won them. I enjoy these rights today and so do you.

                            So I want to thank all my Union Brothers and Sisters out there who have sacrificed for me.

                            Without your blood, sweat, and tears we would not be here today.

                            I only hope I can contribute to our great cause in some small way.

                            The IAFF has my vote, my support, and my gratitude.

                            And my Union Brothers and sisters have my pledge call me anytime you need me I will be there.

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                            • #29
                              Brother...

                              the very same people you are dissing here as "not worthy of your time" are the same ones who would support your local 's efforts, go to Brother's funerals, etc.

                              We can agree to disagree on issues whether it sports, politics, or even who was better..the Justice League or the Fantastic 4... it is human nature.

                              Do you agree with everything that is said in the kitchen at the firehouse?
                              Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 09-14-2006, 10:54 PM.
                              ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                              Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                              • #30
                                IAFF Convertion

                                I did not say they were worthy of my time, I said their comments were not worthy of my time. I have not insulted anyone. If you look back at the thread my comments were not directed towards anyone in particular, only general. As in a pro union general speech. I am sure all of you have heard such speeches and general statements are made in them. When I originally wrote it was directing it as a pro union speech, I was surprised to see so many brothers lauch an attack on me. It is my opinon, if anyone is not being allowed to have one its me. No where in my replies have insulted anyone, I only addressed the general web surfers.

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