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  • #16
    You do realize these laws are made to make the politicians look good and have little to do with our safety.
    In IL you could face a $10,000 and a 2 year suspension, similar laws are present in a construction zone.
    All it is by us is punishment AFTER we are in an accident and killed.
    It is better then nothing, but it needs to be enforced like the seatbelt laws.
    Cameras in the rigs would probably be needed to document tags

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    • #17
      One side note, we had better start policing our own better. With the added scrutiny that will follow enforcement, I see cases being dropped because the fire department didn't act with due reguard when responding or didn't follow acepted procedures for warning and blocking a street as spelled out in the MUTCD. Chapter 6 covers our work http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/index.htm

      This year we have lost many of our members to vehicle accidents, we can't expect the public to drive well when we don't. Be a good example both on runs and cruising around town.

      Stay safe

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Saultfirepics
        Wow, that is enlightingly. I don't know about you, but most jobs I have had there is always 'What is written' and there is 'This is how we do this'. Maybe other than slamming this instructor for 'lying' to you. You may want to find out why he had given the information that way. Like was pointed out he may just trying to do you favor. Yes, it may not have been the most accurate way to inform you. Yet, if he stood there and said, 'Gee, there is law that saids we have the right away, but you have to respond with all due care.' Most people 9 times out of 10(with some groups this would be high, and other would be too low) would stop listen after being told they had the right away. They would give the rest of the sentence another thought again until they were being sued.

        As said laywers don't give two cents that legally you had the right away, for there are dozen other laws that make it so cloudy and clear as mud in court of law. Those cases that go before juries too are the worse in which you, various others who may not know what all the various laws may state or means to look this up when they make their decisions.

        So maybe you should ask the instructor why, instead of coming here before you have talk to him. Or for that fact give this information to others your class. The instructor is trying to teach you how to do something safely. Way it sounds now most of the class will not really pay attention to him due to they think he is full of BS. Which isn't good, for it may save your life later on what he has to say.

        Just some thoughts...
        I understand where you are coming from. It is sad that there are people in this business that would take advantage of the law. My big problem with him telling us something that isn't true is that now he has us second guessing everything he is telling us. There has to be a better way of going about it other than telling a group of grown men a flat out lie.

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        • #19
          Well there seems to be second guessing on his part too. As well as doing a job of CYA on his part too. Don't forget he has a lot on line for being an instructor/trainer too. If anyone who took his classes gets into accident it could come back at him, that is just how lawyers are to get more money.

          Now a little information that isn't entirely true as per written codes in the law as it is read by you and me, may led to certain doubts about his ability to tell truthful information. What I am concern about is the codes in the law that all, but neutralizes the particular codes that you have issue with. Lot of the enforcement of these laws are done by humans. We all wish all laws to be enforced equally, but when laws are enacted that contradict other laws. Well, honestly, can we not see why certain laws appear to go un-enforced.

          So like I said maybe you and other who have concern may just want to ask why first before pointing a finger. As they say in the UK SAS there are always three more pointing back at you.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SgtScott31
            Because of several recent officer fatalities in Nashville and surrounding counties, several DA's are pushing for the law to become an arrestable offense. So rather than getting a citation, we haul your a** to jail.
            I was in the area when the funeral for one of the officers was held. He'd pulled over to help a disabled motorist and was struck by a tractor trailer, the driver of the truck was arrested for manslaughter and several other offenses. The D/A's and law enforcement there take this very seriously.

            http://www.officer.com/article/artic...&siteSection=2
            http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/news/2005/090205.htm

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            • #21
              I also have never seen anyone cited for not yeilding to fire apparatus. I do feel it is a problem in many areas.

              However;

              The only law I follow is getting to the station and back home home safely. I take responsibilties for my actions and I'm always prepared to take action in case the other divers screw up. Laws or not, you just can't trust the other drivers... people do crazy things if and when they hear or see fire apparatus approaching.
              If I'm not here I'm on http://ctfire-ems.com/indexc.php

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