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  • SteveDude
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    FTMPTB,
    I was no way happy about the losses of the aerials bruv...we should have used them and kept them...now we are suffering becuase thing are not getting any quieter as far as fires go over here.

    Unfortunately, the money was not spent elsewhere, it was just shaved off of the budget like everything else that has a 'Best value review' over here. Yep, If we were to lose a couple of aerials and gain a few Pumps no one would argue... but..

    When I joined in '87 we had 114 Stations, roughly three quarters of them were two Pump Stations (Double Engine Co's) and we had 22 aerials in the fleet.

    Now we have 112 Stations of which only 64? are now 2 Pump Stations and only 11 aerials. Our call rate in that time has risen from around 200,000 to over 300,000.

    The only thing we have gained (as a result of 9/11) are Rescue Co's...we had 8 when I joined, they went down to 5 but after 9/11 they were increased to 10. After the Bombs in London last year they are going ti put them up to 16 Rescue Co's some with specific capabilities and an increase in number to allow each Company to have some good quality time off line for Training.


    West Yorkshire is the only UK Fire Service who use "Alarm" systems in place of Making Pumps whatever...there system, familiar to you is detailed here..
    West Yorks ICS
    Last edited by SteveDude; 07-20-2006, 07:31 PM.

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  • SteveDude
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    Believe me...the 1.75" 2.5" and 3" are still loaded by hand...but yep, this new stuff is pretty cool and the amount of water it delivers is phenominal.

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  • REVANANT
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    You've got to love the UK's ergonomics rules, sure beats loading LDH by hand.

    Larry

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  • Dickey
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    That's a really neat system.

    Our "Hose Recovery System" is the newbie!...

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  • SteveDude
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    Originally posted by Dickey
    At least the main thing is no one got hurt and everyone went home.

    I do like the pictures.

    Looks like a lot of hose to pick up too.....

    The big hose...that gets picked up by the truck...nice'n'easy... its on the website link below.

    Hytrans Water system

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  • Dickey
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    At least the main thing is no one got hurt and everyone went home.

    I do like the pictures.

    Looks like a lot of hose to pick up too.....

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  • SteveDude
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    Originally posted by FTMPTB15
    What is the reasoning behind reducing the number of aerials? So if an 8 Pump fire is equal to a 3rd alarm here, what would a 20 Pump fire equal? Maybe an 8th alarm fire? By the way, nice pictures.

    FTMPTB,
    The reason for the loss of aerials was the fact we never used them enough. Bearing in mind we never used then for truck work, only for water towers, rescue and access then they never had a crew who were used other than to operate them.

    As Fire saftery and building construction improved, along with our equipment and training getting more advanced almost all of our Firefighting was done internally from the front door. Therefore aerials got used less and less and as the old saying goes 'if you don't use them you lose them' Some places in Central London are very much like the US...even if there is a cooking pot burning in a third storey kitchen...the ladder will go up, the rest of us, we no longer get these appliances on the first call, and now they have to cover such a large area even where they are on the first call the guys are in done and making the gear up by the time it gets in.

    Make up vs Alarms...I have no idea what type of make up vs what type of alarm. I guess it is down to how many vehicle on each Dept's alarm...8 Pumps may be a third alarm for some but a second alarm for others.

    Basically our is easy to work out, An initial attendance will have 2/3 pumps and maybe an aerial. Most jobs (probably 75%) get dealt with by the first attendance, a room and contents or maybe the upper floor of a house.

    Multiple calls, and a confirmed working job will have 4 pumps and will be known as a '4 pump fire' similar to a all hands/10-75 thing. Still a regular fire, but maybe with a bit more flame or on a higher floor. The photos of the house job further back in this thread got 4 pumps because of calls, but the IC released the other 2 pumps and left it with 2 and there was only a couple of rooms burnt. This will have a Company Officer (Sub Officer/Station Officer) in charge, Fire Investigation and a Command unit will be assigned...London will typically have several of these in a day

    6 pumps will be the next make up, then a ADO (Batt Chief) will take over and the DO (Dep Chief) will monitor. There is usually one or two of these each day

    At 8 pumps, the DO will take over, you will get more chiefs and a senior DO will monitor the DO, a rescue Truck will be assigned along with a hose layer and the Briagde Command vehicle. In total there will now be around 50 Firefighters and Officers on the scene. I guess we see a job like this about once per week.

    This will then go on up through 10, 12 15, 20, 25 and 30 Pumps. We don't often go above 30 Pumps these days as by the time you have everything in place the first ones are due for relief, after 30 they normally start gradually replacing the first with others. I guess 20 Pump fires happen maybe 4 or 5 times per year and a 30 Pump fire is a once a year deal... the last we had was in July last year.
    Last edited by SteveDude; 07-20-2006, 05:32 AM. Reason: correct error

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  • SteveDude
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    More photos here....Poplar Warehouse Fire

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  • FTMPTB15
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    Originally posted by SteveDude
    Unbelievably for the third biggest FD in the World that protects the second largest City (by area) in the World...we only have 11 aerial trucks!!!! When I joned we had about 25!!!
    What is the reasoning behind reducing the number of aerials? So if an 8 Pump fire is equal to a 3rd alarm here, what would a 20 Pump fire equal? Maybe an 8th alarm fire? By the way, nice pictures.

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  • 2andfrom
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    Arials-Steve

    What you say is true--I was a ladders operator 1963 ish till 1981-both hydraulic and mechanical.And we had Ladders for Africa.
    Hated it when the 'draulic ones sucked the kumara(NZ expression for dying) cos I had to go all over the Southern Division and wave the mechanical ones (which they dragged out of mothballs)around in the sky--very unpopular with the stations I was standing-by at--not too bad on day shift but you should hear the moans on nights!

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  • JonnytheTurk
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    We had antoher fire last nigth 8 pumps in total...a Petrol Station and a Car showroom, from what we've been told so far it looks like arson ? 2 Busy nigths both in London and Dublin, the lads were earning there money this shift

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  • Dickey
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    WOW....that is some fire!

    Hope there was plenty of tea to go around in the rehab area!
    Just kidding Johnny!

    At least no one got hurt. Good stop it looks like.

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  • JonnytheTurk
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    There some great pics Steve...nicly done mate

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  • firefighter7160
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    steve

    do they use preconnect attack lines over there. And what about PPV's

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  • SteveDude
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    A few photos...

    1. This was a 6 storey block of Apartments NEXT TO the one where the fire started...maybe this explains why we don't 'do' wooden construction in the UK



    2. 22 Hours after the Next job started the East London sky is still filled with smoke from the Warehouse fire at Poplar, 9pm tonight



    3. LIfe still goes on... A regular 'Bread and Butter' house job, just before my shift finished at 5pm tonight.



    Happy Days!!!!

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