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  • Apparatus placement question

    Is this an appropriate place for an engine considering the level of involvement and building construction? We have a similar building in our district. Thanks.
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  • #2
    It is a bit close, alright really close, but you do what you have to do in the real world. Depending on the broader picture (no pun intended there ) what is on the chauffer's side of the ladder in the pic? A parking lot? Another building? That is what is going to dictate where you park your rig.

    I can't imagine telling the guys in Boston or NYC not to park the engine in front of brick brownstone or a walkup because "the book" says that you shouldn't park in the collapse zone of a building, so you'd better hump another 50 feet down the road and slap another 50' of hose on the line so we don't worry about a possible collapse.

    Of course, some guys might do it and pray they cna force the wall down so they can get a new rig, but that is a whole other issue.
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    • #3
      close ya .........but you may be able to push the wall in with the deck gun ?
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      • #4
        You dont know how late into the fire this is. Maybe 45 minutes or more ago the fire wasn't where it's showing in the picture and that area might have been clear.

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        • #5
          Always pull the truck past the building, so the rear of the truck is at a corner. As well as getting a 3 sided view of the building, you are in the least likely place to get damage from a collapse. Also aids getting lines off the rear of the truck in a more effcient fashion.
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          • #6
            A bit close for my liking.....
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            • #7
              This picture as with all pictures shows one moment. Who knows what the conditions were when those rigs got there, maybe they were down the block at a secondary hydrant and the fire was in a different area of the building on arrival. Who knows? Hindsight is 20/20 don't second guess the brothers' operations.

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              • #8
                Guess they weren't real clear at the academy about the "wet stuff on the red stuff".. maybe they should have said "the fire".

                Seriously, we do not know what the conditions were on arrival. Maybe it was a seemingly small and controllable fire in that area? Maybe the Truck arrived first and took the outside spot? Maybe there are power lines in the area and that forced the placement shown?
                Maybe as 41 said they were not first due and the fire was not in that area of the structure when they arrived? As IC, I probably would have had the engine relocated by now, but maybe they are shorthanded and that just has not been communicated as of yet. Basically I would need to see more to make a judgement.
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                • #9
                  Guess they weren't real clear at the academy about the "wet stuff on the red stuff".. maybe they should have said "the fire".
                  Now that's good. I like it a lot. I couldn't figure out how to say that myself I kept thinking the poor guy on the deck gun needed more pressure and a better angle.
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                  • #10
                    Pressure

                    Dasharkie,

                    You got it before I did. I was going to say that it looked like the master stream could have used a little more pressure. But again not sure , becuase we were not there.. They couldhave just started the deck gun.
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                    • #11
                      Well................

                      There's someone on the ladder, possibly just starting to get off after rigging the ladder pipe. A coupla windows look like they were boarded up, and just plain instinct tells me that this one is vacant. With that, I'd be paying as much attention as possible to the standard scenario that turns the building into large piles of bricks in a short time. As a Chief, I wouldn't spot an Engine there, BASED ON WHAT IS SHOWN in the picture, but, the picture doesn't show much. Anyone got a handle on where this is? I'd like to learn more about it.
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                      • #12
                        Harve it came from here

                        http://cms.firehouse.com/content/art...Id=46&id=38310
                        IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
                        Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
                        ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
                        RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
                        LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                        I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                        "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                        http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

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                        • #13
                          moved

                          If you look at the photo slide show given by the news. You will notice that the Engine was moved before too long out of the area and the ladder truck next to it was setting up. I go now with the theory they were there before it got that big.
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                          DM
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                          • #14
                            Thanks for all the responses.

                            Guess they weren't real clear at the academy about the "wet stuff on the red stuff".. maybe they should have said "the fire".
                            Haha, wasn’t even gonna go there...

                            Hindsight is 20/20 don't second guess the brothers' operations.
                            The fire service is always been a reactionary trade. We need to start focusing more on accident prevention before the accident occurs. One way we can do this is through critiquing incidents.

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