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Detroit Diesel vs. Caterpiller vs Cummins

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  • #16
    No Tards For Us.......................

    We won't be using anything but Jakes, It's The Sound. And that's what it's all about. (and, We don't answer to a city council or anything)Oh Yeah, anyone mention Perkins diesels?
    Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
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    Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
    Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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    I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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    • #17
      I've always been partial to Detroit, but my opinion is SO biased since out entire fleet is Detroit.

      All of our trucks were 8V92's until 1997 when our new engine came with a 470HP Series 60. That's quite a powerful engine. That truck MOVES! And there's something about that CLACK CLACK CLACK idle sound. Music to my ears. Although there is nothing like the deep rumble of an 8V92. Those things shook the earth beneath them. We'd set off car alarms all the time with them. The only complaint I have is that they idle WAY too rough. You can't see anything in the mirrors because they're SHAKING SO MUCH!

      Our new Tower in 2002 came with a 500HP Series 60. This monster is 47 feet long, 11 feet high and weighs over 80,000lbs. But she gets out of her own way with that thing under the cab.

      Both trucks have an Allison HD4060 trannies, which are very responsive IMO. They downshift very nicely on their own if left to it. Otherwise, manual shifting them is a breeze also with the pushbutton selector.

      And the Jake brake. What a sound that thing makes with the Series 60 engine. Like a 200 caliber machine gun!

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      • #18
        I disagree that tranny retarders are a thing of the past. Don't forget that there was a time when engine retarders (read - Jake Brake tm) where in their infancy and had their problems as well: Overheating the head, ruining valves and injectors, and even backing out manifold bolts when the retarder was not set up correctly. Tranny retarders, like anything else mechanincal, when new, have their bugs. I think that you'll see 'loud' engine retarders go the way of the dinosour in favor of quiter means of auxiliary braking systems in the years to come.

        Pat

        P.S. I might add by the way that I, personally, love big noise! A big Detroit or a big Cummins with Jakes, lights, sirens, and air horns is all music to my ears. Not because I'm an adrenaline junkie (I'm to old for that) but because it gets peoples attention in POMV's at intersections and I'm an operator. Even the kids with the stereos cranked past 120db (you know the type - all you can feel the next block over through the concrete is THUB THUB THUB). Well, at least with 'Big Noise' (read as CRFD Truck #6) they can feel us coming through their car before they hear us or see us. I have heard the horror stories form different municipalities over noise pollution. They want it nice and quit until it's their home were responding to, then they will want to know why it took so long "Well Sir, you don't want sirens and air horns in your neighborhood, remember? You started the petition. So we had to stop at every intersection and get out of the truck to ask folks to let us through. By the way, sorry about the 20 minute response time."
        Last edited by PEIPat; 05-28-2004, 08:56 AM.

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        • #19
          Don't buy CAT

          We used to have a 2004 Freightliner E-One with a CAT 330HP motor and we had to replace the injectors twice in 10 years. Other than that the truck ran very well, but with the CAT it would randomly lose power, and the alternator wasn't strong enough. We also have a 2008 E-One typhoon with the Cummins, it hauls 2,500 gallons of water and a full hose bed like a normal engine and it drives just as well if not better than our other trucks. We also recently purchased 3 custom cab pumpers with Detroit Diesels and they are very strong, but they require lots of maintenance, they hold way too much motor oil but pull everything strong with lots of leftover power.
          In conclusion, in my opinion don't buy CAT their nothing but problems, if you need speed go with Detroit, but if you need reliability, strength, and durability go with the Cummins, they have the best quality in my opinion.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by William_Vanbrimmer View Post
            We used to have a 2004 Freightliner E-One with a CAT 330HP motor and we had to replace the injectors twice in 10 years. Other than that the truck ran very well, but with the CAT it would randomly lose power, and the alternator wasn't strong enough. We also have a 2008 E-One typhoon with the Cummins, it hauls 2,500 gallons of water and a full hose bed like a normal engine and it drives just as well if not better than our other trucks. We also recently purchased 3 custom cab pumpers with Detroit Diesels and they are very strong, but they require lots of maintenance, they hold way too much motor oil but pull everything strong with lots of leftover power.
            In conclusion, in my opinion don't buy CAT their nothing but problems, if you need speed go with Detroit, but if you need reliability, strength, and durability go with the Cummins, they have the best quality in my opinion.
            So you're basing you opinion on Cat on ONE truck, with an undersized motor with an alternator that you didn't spec big enough...and 4 other trucks...
            That's hardly a comparison.

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