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  • Thanks Ray...I miss ya Bro! I'm no longer at 66th and Columbus...but my heart is with the Cavemen!
    Proudly serving as the IACOJ Minister of Information & Propoganda!
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    • July 14, 2009 -- Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority are locked in a mortal impasse over financing for Silverstein's Ground Zero office towers. But "no way out" doesn't have to mean "no way forward." Properly tweaked, a proposal to speed up retail development could rapidly bring life and commerce to the 16-acre site. Retail developer Westfield Group, a consultant to the PA, proposes delaying two giant office towers -- while building two low-rise shopping malls, with a half-million square feet of retail space, on the sites. At first glance, the idea looks like a nonstarter. It needs Silverstein's cooperation when he's already at odds with the PA. Plus, canyons of Manhattan retail space already stand vacant even at prime locations. But a modified version of the plan could do wonders. Instead, have the PA build just one mall at the Tower 3 site (where the skyscraper would be postponed but not canceled) and then lease the space to Westfield to manage and sublet. To win Silverstein's assent for the change in plans, help him out with his financing problems for Tower 2. This would provide swift delivery of what Ground Zero desperately needs as soon as possible: a fully above ground project. (Much of the Memorial is deep beneath the earth, as is the Santiago Calatrava-designed "World Trade Center Transportation Hub.") And it would break the current standstill over building the office towers -- which is even worse than it appears. Four office buildings are supposed to be built inside Ground Zero. The PA is responsible for the tallest, 1 WTC (the former Freedom Tower) at the site's northwest corner, which it took off Silverstein's hands under a 2006 agreement. Silverstein still has Towers 2, 3 and 4, which are to rise along the east side. Steel for 1 WTC's core is rising very slowly. Silverstein is in an even earlier stage on Tower 4. He's eager to get Tower 2 moving, but can't start until the PA finishes readying the site for construction and financing is in place. Tower 3 won't likely rise for years. But the entire redevelopment clock needs to be reset. The PA has already paid Silverstein more than $100 million in penalties for missing its deadlines on delivering the Towers 2 and 3 sites in shovel-ready condition -- and it faces further charges until it finishes the job. Meanwhile, Silverstein has his own problems. The credit freeze has forced him to postpone even a smaller hotel/condo project a few blocks off Ground Zero. In search of financing, he's asked the PA for loan guarantees of up to $2 billion for Towers 2 and 4. But the PA counter-offered to help him finance only Tower 4 -- where he doesn't really need help: Deals are in place for the PA and city agencies to take space there, making the project far less risky. Why won't the PA bail Silverstein out on Tower 2? Forget its claim to need the cash for more critical projects: It just fears the competition as it tries to find office tenants for the tower it will control, the 2.6 million square-foot 1 WTC (formerly the Freedom Tower). In a leasing war, Silverstein would clean the PA's clock. His towers have better floor plates and are better located than 1 WTC, which also faces fears that it's the logical target for another terrorist attack. The PA might never agree to a co-financing arrangement that would undercut its own position. Now, enter Westfield. The global retail development and management company says it "stands ready" to spend up to $1.3 billion to build six-story retail "podiums" housing 500,000 square feet on the Towers 2 and 3 sites. The towers theoretically could later be built atop the podiums when the office market recovers. Yet the PA can't just make Silverstein's towers go on hiatus and put malls in their place. He totally controls the sites under a 99-year leasehold. Even so, a shopping mall could be built far faster and more cheaply than a 1,000-foot office tower. And Silverstein has already indicated a willingness to back-burner Tower 3. But a shopping mall at the site would force him to create a "sky lobby" above the stores when he eventually gets around to building the office tower -- a complex, uncertain redesign that might also make office leasing more difficult. Happily, a sign of potential compromise appeared last week: The PA offered to help Silverstein with up to $1.2 billion in financing for Tower 2 if he first raises $625 million elsewhere. It seemed a joke -- if Silverstein could do that, he wouldn't need the PA's help. But that $625 million happens to be the exact amount that Westfield said last year it would put into a joint venture with the PA to own and manage the retail space Ground Zero. The PA and Westfield seem to have something up their sleeves -- for example, agreeing to Silverstein's loan request if he lets Westfield in on the action. But, whatever's going on behind the closed doors of the propaganda factories, it's time for all parties to make concessions. Tower 3's short-term future is off the table anyway; the site could remain empty indefinitely. And putting up all the skyscrapers at once makes no sense in this grim economy. So it's in the general interest to build retail space there. Silverstein should let the shopping mall go forward at the Tower 3 site, but without relinquishing his right to build the tower later. Reconfiguring its design to accommodate the retail base will take some doing -- but the office floors can't rise for years, so he'll have time to figure out how. But Tower 2 must rise soon -- lest reconstruction stall after having restored little more than half the 11 million feet of offices demolished on 9/11. A deal to jumpstart Tower 2, holding off only on Tower 3, would yield 8.5 million feet. That's nearly comparable to the lost space, thanks to greater efficiencies provided by today's engineering. Which means the PA and Westfield must give ground, too. Westfield must accept only one retail podium. And, most crucially, the PA should do the building itself -- because the mall must go up whether store tenants are pre-signed or not. The PA can't simply sell Westfield an option on land that could remain barren if Westfield doesn't pre-sign enough tenants. So the PA must build the mall without preconditions, then turn it over to Westfield. A glass-wrapped retail podium actually in the ground will be a lot easier to fill than one that remains frozen on paper. Making all the moving parts mesh is a long shot -- one requiring good faith on all sides and forceful political leadership. But, considering the bleak outlook otherwise, does anyone have a better idea?
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      NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
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      FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
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      FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
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      • Oh Boy...............

        You can't tell the players without a scorecard............. Ray, THANK YOU for all that you put into this work. I'm not much on figuring out all the twists and turns here, but I can say that Westfield does a decent job in their area of expertise. Some years back, they bought a Mall here that was heading downhill pretty quick. Remodeling, Aggressive Leasing, REAL Marketing, and some Additional Floor Space, and now they've got a very successful operation going there..........
        Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
        In memory of
        Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
        Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

        IACOJ Budget Analyst

        I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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        • Originally posted by hwoods View Post
          You can't tell the players without a scorecard.............
          No kidding, hey Harve! I'd be lost without this thread.

          Originally posted by hwoods View Post
          Ray, THANK YOU for all that you put into this work.
          AGREED! Without Ray sharing these articles and his personal insight, I wouldn't know anything about this, as I rarely (if ever) see any WTC news reported elsewhere.
          September 11th - Never Forget

          I respect firefighters and emergency workers worldwide. Thank you for what you do.

          Sheri
          IACOJ CRUSTY CONVENTION CHAIR
          Honorary Flatlander

          RAY WAS HERE FIRST

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          • Originally posted by RspctFrmCalgary View Post
            No kidding, hey Harve! I'd be lost without this thread.



            AGREED! Without Ray sharing these articles and his personal insight, I wouldn't know anything about this, as I rarely (if ever) see any WTC news reported elsewhere.
            Totally what they said.

            Thank you so much Ray for keeping us up to date. It's sad that they cannot come to an agreement.
            Jason Knecht
            Firefighter/EMT
            Township Fire Dept., Inc.
            Eau Claire, WI

            IACOJ - Director of Cheese and Whine
            http://www.cheddarvision.tv/
            EAT CHEESE OR DIE!!

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            • July 16, 2009 -- The Port Authority's latest offer to increase its financial support for Larry Silverstein's World Trade Center office towers by $1.2 billion doesn't go far enough for the developer -- making it all but certain the stalled negotiations will go to arbitration next week. In exchange for increasing their share of the financing for Tower 2, PA officials insist it must be matched by $625 million from Silverstein. Janno Lieber, of Silverstein's World Trade Center Properties, told members of Community Board 1 that credit is "just not available."
              ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
              NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
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              CAPT. Frank Callahan Ladder 35 *
              LT. John Ginley Engine 40
              FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
              FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
              FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
              FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
              FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
              FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
              FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
              FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
              FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

              Charleston 9
              "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
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              • August 6, 2009 -- Ground Zero's projects lag far beyond schedule and the area is a giant construction site, but enough concrete has been poured over 2,400 tons of steel near the towers' footprints to permit special access for the families, officials say. Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward revealed that the upper level of the plaza would be temporarily opened during the morning's commemoration ceremonies. "We have made enough progress on the memorial that the 9/11 family members will be allowed to walk out onto the Memorial Plaza for the first time during this September's anniversary - something few thought would be possible this time last year," Ward said in a letter to Gov. Paterson. On the seventh anniversary in 2008, families were ushered down the long construction ramp into the pit below for the somber ceremony. Since then, the ramp has been removed, The Pit is being transformed, more than 70% of the memorial's steel is in place and the pools, parapets and plazas are quickly taking shape, officials say. Ward's upbeat assessment came the day after the Daily News disclosed a secret government report that predicted every blockbuster project at the site would be years behind schedule.
                ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
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                CAPT. Frank Callahan Ladder 35 *
                LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                Charleston 9
                "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
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                • FYI -- Eight years ago, a terrorist attack levelled the twin towers of the World Trade Centre, yet, according to a new study, even years later, it continues to cause new cases of asthma and post-traumatic stress. Asthma and post-traumatic stress disorder years after the World Trade Centre disaster, continues to trouble and traumatise the passersby, tourists and commuters who chanced to be in the area at the time the towers fell. Over 71,000-people, were exposed to the fire, smoke and debris mushrooming over lower Manhattan on 11th September 2001, and scientists finding the lingering effects, predict problems will continue to persist far into the future. The largest post-disaster database compiled in U. S. history, the registry is the first non-combat data scientists are using to discover how a single incident can result in ongoing physical and mental health issues. Post-traumatic stress symptoms are not only real, they continue to be pervasive, as well. An estimated 25,000 people in the World Trade Centre Health Registry have developed asthma, with 61,000 reporting post-traumatic stress symptoms, with a small number of them also having asthma. For many, especially passersby, tourists and others at Ground Zero, post-traumatic symptoms have worsened over time, researchers say. Registrants answered questions online, on a mail-in form, or by telephone, with the study, covering years from 2006 and 2007. It is the first of WTC studies that details symptoms that are persisting so many years after the disaster. Investigators reported their findings in the Journal of the American Medical Association, an issue devoted to the effects of violence on the human condition.

                  Some of the study’s findings are as follows:

                  · 10% of participants with no history of asthma reported a new asthma diagnosis during the follow-up survey.

                  · Intense dust cloud exposure was linked with an increased risk of asthma. Of those with a new diagnosis of asthma, 19% reported intense dust exposure vs. about 10% without exposure.

                  · Risk for asthma was highest among rescue-recovery workers.

                  · Residents who did not evacuate reported higher asthma rates than those who did.

                  · Passersby had the highest levels of symptoms (23%) and residents the lowest (16%).

                  · Spouse loss related to the attack was also associated with symptoms of traumatic stress.
                  ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                  NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
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                  LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                  FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                  FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                  FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                  FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                  FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                  FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                  FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                  FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                  FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                  Charleston 9
                  "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
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                  • August 20, 2009 -- The two giant waterfalls that will thunder into the abyss where the World Trade Center once stood will open in time for the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, the Port Authority vowed Wednesday. Described as the biggest manmade falls in North America, the twin torrents will drop 46 feet in two stages into two reflecting pools in the inner void that will be the heart and soul of Ground Zero. "It's not a pit anymore," said Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward. "With all the progress that is taking place on the site, it's not even Ground Zero anymore." In testimony before the City Council, Ward said the falls and fountains will be fully flowing by 2011 - and that 75% of the swamp white oak trees that will grace the Memorial Plaza will be planted. It will be a somber place for mourning and remembrance: Each cascade will drop 40,000 gallons of water per minute into twin reflecting pools in the footprints of the twin towers - and each pool will hold some 165,000 gallons of water. The subterranean Memorial Museum, which will display 9/11 artifacts and relate the horrors of the worst day in U.S. history, will open in 2012, Ward said. The news about "Reflecting Absence," the memorial's official name, came moments after City Councilman Alan Gerson (D-Manhattan) had tough words about delays that have plagued the site: "It's incomprehensible and unforgivable that not a single project at the World Trade Center site has been completed," he said.
                    ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                    NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
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                    LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                    FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                    FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                    FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                    FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                    FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                    FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                    FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                    FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                    FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                    Charleston 9
                    "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
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                    • August 24, 2009 --It became a makeshift memorial to the victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Now a massive steel column has been returned to ground zero as a symbol of rebirth. After more than seven years in storage at a hangar at Kennedy International Airport, the 58-ton, 36-foot-tall beam was delivered before dawn Monday to the World Trade Center site. Column No. 1,0001 B of 2 World Trade Center, as it's officially known, will become part of the planned National Sept. 11 Memorial & Museum, according to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site. Dubbed the "Last Column," it became the final standing steel column removed from ground zero, and a steel canvas for tributes from recovery workers and victims' families. It was adorned with firehouse patches, police logos and union stickers, and spray-painted with the shorthand messages FDNY 343,PAPD 37, and NYPD 23 and in honor of firefighters, Port Authority and city police officers who died in the 2001 attacks. It was cut down, wrapped in black muslin and an American flag, and taken out as part of a ceremony marking the end of recovery efforts on May 30, 2002.
                      ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                      NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
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                      CAPT. Frank Callahan Ladder 35 *
                      LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                      FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                      FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                      FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                      FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                      FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                      FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                      FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                      FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                      FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                      Charleston 9
                      "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
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                      • WASHINGTON - A group of Sept. 11 responders finally got an answer from the White House to their plea for help: a thank you card.

                        A year ago, members of the Fealgood Foundation delivered that plea to the future President and other lawmakers in a DVD telling the tale of four ailing heroes. One of the four, Greg Quibell, had just died of 9/11-linked leukemia. Another, former FDNY firefighter John McNamara, died of cancer last month. They wanted to show Congress why it must pass the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, an $8.4 billion bill to help ailing Sept. 11 workers. But the act has languished. What the responders have gotten are thank you's, not just from the White House, but from members of Congress who also got copies of "Save the Brave." "One congressman's office sent it back with a letter that said we're sorry, we don't accept gifts," said John Feal, who lost half his foot at Ground Zero. Feal got the note from the White House saying "Thank you for your kind gift" last week. Quibell's widow, Theresa, said the off-tone response was "disturbing," but would forgive it if the President delivers. "My God, at least take care of these guys now," she said. Adminstration officials say Obama remains committed to those who answered the call on Sept. 11, and the days after. He reaffirmed his pledge Friday in the Daily News. Congressional leaders insist they're committed as well, and the House could finish its bill this month - and vote by November. Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan) blamed the glacial pace on the GOP. "The previous administration denied there was even a problem," she said. Rep. Pete King (R-Nassau) called it a bipartisan disgrace. "This is a clear breach of faith by the government," he said. "This is the same as leaving people on the battlefield." Even if the House passes a bill, the Senate has barely started. "We have an undeniable moral obligation," said Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who is sponsoring the Senate bill. "I am optimistic that with President Obama in the White House and a Democratic Congress we can ... act." After eight years, 9/11's heroes are left with little more than thank-you notes - and pain. "The only gift I've received was the gift of cancer," said former FDNY firefighter Kenny Specht, who battled the disease in his thyroid. "I don't need a letter thanking me for my gift." New Yorkers want something more tangible. "My son is dying," said Stephen Grossman after visiting his son, Robert, 41, in the hospital where the ex-cop is losing a battle to cancer. "Whatever passes through Congress will be too late for him. I hope it's not too late for other people."
                        ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                        NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
                        343
                        CAPT. Frank Callahan Ladder 35 *
                        LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                        FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                        FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                        FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                        FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                        FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                        FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                        FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                        FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                        FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                        Charleston 9
                        "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
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                        • That's so disheartening.

                          Ray, I just got finished watching the Gaudet brothers 9/11 documentary that you sent me. Bawled my freakin' eyes out. Lord only knows why I thought I was ready to watch it. But I had to continue even though I was sobbing hard enough to give myself a headache ... I felt I needed to finish it in honor of the 343 firefighters and others killed September 11th and who have lost their battle in the eight years since. And for those who survived and are living with the pain daily. NEVER FORGET.
                          September 11th - Never Forget

                          I respect firefighters and emergency workers worldwide. Thank you for what you do.

                          Sheri
                          IACOJ CRUSTY CONVENTION CHAIR
                          Honorary Flatlander

                          RAY WAS HERE FIRST

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                          • FYI -- The 2009 Annual Report on 9/11 Health

                            http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/200...ual_report.pdf
                            ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                            NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
                            343
                            CAPT. Frank Callahan Ladder 35 *
                            LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                            FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                            FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                            FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                            FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                            FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                            FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                            FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                            FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                            FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                            Charleston 9
                            "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
                            *******************CLICK HERE*****************

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                            • Thank you Ray for supplying us with that link to the report.

                              I think it's going to get much worse as time goes on. I read the entire thing and it mentioned PTSD but they didn't mention the impact of it related to the suicide rate if it went up, went down, or stayed the same. Also, why is only 80% of the FDNY claims approved and covered? That my friend is BS!

                              So now what is the mayor going to do with report?
                              Jason Knecht
                              Firefighter/EMT
                              Township Fire Dept., Inc.
                              Eau Claire, WI

                              IACOJ - Director of Cheese and Whine
                              http://www.cheddarvision.tv/
                              EAT CHEESE OR DIE!!

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                              • http://groups.google.com/group/911-list-serv?pli=1
                                ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
                                NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
                                343
                                CAPT. Frank Callahan Ladder 35 *
                                LT. John Ginley Engine 40
                                FF. Bruce Gary Engine 40
                                FF. Jimmy Giberson Ladder 35
                                FF. Michael Otten Ladder 35 *
                                FF. Steve Mercado Engine 40 *
                                FF. Kevin Bracken Engine 40 *
                                FF. Vincent Morello Ladder 35
                                FF. Michael Roberts Ladder 35 *
                                FF. Michael Lynch Engine 40
                                FF. Michael Dauria Engine 40

                                Charleston 9
                                "If my job was easy a cop would be doing it."
                                *******************CLICK HERE*****************

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