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  • #16
    We are a small paid department with 7 per shift in one station.
    3-engine
    2-amb
    2- for second engine or back up amb.

    I would love to see more per unit. Even if we are all at the station for the initial alarm on structures it is busy five to 10 min waiting for the first mutual aide company.
    If we have already caught an amb. call or two or at min. maning of five its a butt kicker.

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    • #17
      I run with a small volunteer station. We can seat up to 10 in our one Engine and up to 5 in the second engine. We prefer that neither leave with less than 4 but, sometimes you end up leaving with less but, on the other hand we have gotten both out with a full crew on each. Thank goodness for mutual aid on the days were running short.

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      • #18
        we run a 3 man engine on still alarms and a 4 man engine on f/s or box alarms. we run a 3 man ambulance on still ambulance calls and 4 man ambulance on f/s or box. we get auto aid on all f/s and box fire calls. box ambulance and we get and engine and heavy rescue. chief and dep chief split up who will respond and take command on f/s and box fire alarms at night.

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        • #19
          We run 3 man engines - used to be 2 so I should feel good, right?

          Wrong.

          You need 4 minimum. Without 4 (pump operator, officer and two FF) the officer becomes a FF. With the officer humping hose and sometimes working the knob, who's watching out for the crew, who's watching the fire conditions, who asks for help via radio when needed?

          At my department a Lieutenant on an engine company is just a higher paid FF with more responsibility. And that's due to our running 3 man engines.

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          • #20
            The Dallas Study advocated a 5 man crew. And that was the minimum! It was about 15-20 years ago and was published in Fire Command, the NFPA Magazine.

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            • #21
              How can you attack a fire with three on the first out engine.

              You need a driver thats 1
              You need someone to take the hydrant thats 2
              Now who is stupid enough to go in by their self. Now someone might say that the hydrant man would be able to assist with the attack?
              That is very true but, if your engine just laid 800' to suppley the engine that means run your butt that 800' pack up and try to make the bottle last before you get in the door. Four is better Five is Great.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by CaptainCarp:
                How can you attack a fire with three on the first out engine.

                You need a driver thats 1
                You need someone to take the hydrant thats 2
                Now who is stupid enough to go in by their self.

                that means run your butt that 800' pack up and try to make the bottle last before you get in the door. Four is better Five is Great.
                Thats what the 2nd in company's job is, to lay into the working pumper. If you're fortuanate, you might just have a plug closer and after the chauffer puts the pump in gear and start your line. He could scuttle drag the hose to the plug and hook it up. Also, we pack up while we are in-route to the fire so we don't have that kind of problem of getting there first then have to pack up wasting precious time.

                Yes more is better, but what if you just don't have the people around to do it?

                You can get a decent knockdown on the fire and a decent search going also.


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