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  • #91
    I will never buy another Sports Illustrated

    In response to D___head Gantenbein's article I will never buy another copy of Sports Illustrated, and I have emailed SI and informed them of my intent.


    As for D___head Gantenbein, I will keep his remarks in mind when it is his turn as a victim. Perhaps when he is laying on the floor gasping for air he may consider changeing his opinion of Firefighters.

    ~R

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    • #92
      I don't have the time, nor the energy to address all the people out there with this guy's attitude. I really don't care anymore. There's nothing you can do to change it, so what's the point?

      All I can do is what is expected of me when the bell rings. Nothing more; nothing less. Everything else will fall into place. I don't expect or even want this guys approval. I know what I do when I'm at work, and on my days off. I have no guilt about what I do whatsoever.

      I'm a Firefighter, and there's lightyears of difference in the pride and satisfaction I get out of that fact and what I could ever get from writing the kind of drivel contained in your "article". Again, I'm at peace with what I am, and what I do.

      You, Mr. Gantenbein, aren't worth a good rant.
      Last edited by Steamer; 11-03-2003, 01:39 PM.
      Steve Gallagher
      IACOJ BOT
      ----------------------------
      "I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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      • #93
        To begin with let's focus on the person and not his comments.
        1. If you visit his website you will find out that he is married to his wife who didn't even take his last name.
        2. What guy says he lives with his lovely wife and two beagles. LBJ was the last guy to do that.
        3. He works for Sports Illustrated. If they folded tomorrrow life would go on, if the Fire Service diminished by less than 5% tomorrow this coutry would come to a screeching halt.
        What in God's name does this have to do with anything?

        You guys really don't get it. You are validating what this guy is saying.
        PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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        • #94
          i saw it after i posted it ..thank you...it still doesn't make it any better....but i will read a litle further next time into 50 posts of the exact same thing...hummmmmm

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          • #95
            Mr. Wendt,

            The comments I made were my own and not representative of anthing or anyone else. Just the same as Mr. Gantenbein's were. The point I was trying to make is that he obviously can't actually mean or believe in what he is writing. He has some anger, pent-up hostility, and some sort of harbored resentment toward firefighter's and probably other public servants. His statements were reflective of a lack of understanding into the fire service. He is only partially educated in the ways of the fire service. Think of it this way. Would you go to a Doctor who is only familiar with less than 50% of what he is practicing? No you wouldn't, just as we professional firefighter's don't have to "go"(sttop) to Mr. Gantenbein's level. His comments don't really even deserve a response. It isn't that big of a deal.
            Engineer, Eng Co. 1

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            • #96
              JUST, you have just validified my point. We all agree that Mr. Gantenbein doesn't have a full or accurate understanding of the fire service, the question is WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO DO TO CHANGE HIS VIEW. Attacking him for his opinions isn't going to do it, posting his personal information isn't going to do it, getting angry isn't going to do it ....... c'mon guys WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.
              To the world you might be one person, but to one person you just might be the world.

              IACOJ-WOT proud

              GO WHITE SOX!!!!!

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              • #97
                Originally posted by just5715
                Mr. Wendt,

                The comments I made were my own and not representative of anthing or anyone else. Just the same as Mr. Gantenbein's were. The point I was trying to make is that he obviously can't actually mean or believe in what he is writing. He has some anger, pent-up hostility, and some sort of harbored resentment toward firefighter's and probably other public servants. His statements were reflective of a lack of understanding into the fire service. He is only partially educated in the ways of the fire service. Think of it this way. Would you go to a Doctor who is only familiar with less than 50% of what he is practicing? No you wouldn't, just as we professional firefighter's don't have to "go"(sttop) to Mr. Gantenbein's level. His comments don't really even deserve a response. It isn't that big of a deal.
                Engineer, Eng Co. 1
                Nice try.

                Your first sentence said "...lets focus on the person and not the comments".

                Your points about his wife's name and the fact that he lives with two dogs couldn't possibly be related to what you just posted above. Your attempt at painting this guy as something less than we are because his wife chose to keep her maiden name and he has beagles is thinly veiled at best.

                I'll say it agin...you guys are playing right into this guys hand.
                PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                • #98
                  I received this article in an email from a friend of mine. At first I was angered over the content and misdirected slant of the article, but, then I thought about it, a few of the statements made in the article have some truth in them. I wont go into the specifics as it has already been done numerous times. Mr. Gantenbein has every right to state his opinion, he has and now we are reacting to it. In reacting to it I hope that the threats against Mr. Gantenbein and his family and property will end, we are only providing fodder for the next article as George said.
                  I think Artie summed my opinion on the matter up rather nicely, and without going off the deep end. If the debate must continue, lets try to keep it reasonable.
                  Shawn M. Cecula
                  Firefighter
                  IACOJ Division of Fire and EMS

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                  • #99
                    ResQ I have to agree with you fully. I was deployed to WTC as part of a FEMA team. I worked on the pile for 10 days now 2 years latter I use an inhaler for my lung problems associated to being at the WTC. But it's not a dangerous job!!!!!!!
                    FTM - PTB

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                    • I'll say it agin...you guys are playing right into this guys hand.
                      I can't argue with that.

                      What good is anyone doing by firing off inflammatory e-mails to him and the publications he writes for threatening their life and limb? "Wait until he needs us. We'll show him!" Right... just like the drunk guy who mowed down the kids at the bus stop, sometimes you have to rise above the situation... that what makes the good providers great.

                      I can see it now. The author is asked to justify his stand on firefighters and he pulls out reams of e-mails threatening to rip off his manhood. Check-mate.

                      Do I agree with the article? Not really, no. Do I think that oftentimes we are our own worst enemy? Absolutely.
                      Member IACOJ - Building crust and full of lust...

                      "It's okay to to scared, just don't be chicken." - Clark

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                      • I got a response from the author

                        See me earlier post on this subject. This is the response I got back from Douglas Gantenbein, along with the original message:

                        [Never have I seen so many delicate toes. But thanks for the note!

                        dg


                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Thomas Anthony [mailto[email protected]]
                        Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:51 AM
                        To: [email protected]; [email protected]
                        Cc: [email protected]
                        Subject: Current article on Slate.com


                        Gentlemen,

                        It is with complete disgust that I write this email. An article posted on slate.com which, apparently, was written by an individual affiliated with your organization is without a doubt the most personally offensive piece of trash I have ever read. For someone who pretends to be a legitimate journalist to write this type of slanderous, insulting, degrading and flat out inaccurate article reflects poorly on the type of individuals you have working for you.

                        I was recently involved in the type of "propaganda skills" that the author discusses. I served as part of an honor guard at the National Fallen Firefighters Memorial in Emmitsburg Maryland. My fire company was paying tribute to a life member of our department and personal friend of mine who died in a fire in his own house while saving the lives of his daughter and mother. I think he earned the right to be given this propaganda by giving his life to help others.

                        I will make sure to remember the part in the article about being an "adrenalin junkie" also next time I roll out of bed at 3:00 in the morning to go pry a drunk out of their car. I just hope I don't have to leave my wife and children without a husband and father while I am out getting my next fix.

                        God bless my fallen brothers and sisters.

                        Sincerely,

                        Thomas Anthony, P.E.
                        Captain, Adamsburg and Community VFD
                        Paramedic, Rescue 14 EMS
                        Structures Specialist, Pennsylvania Task Force 1 Urban Search and Rescue]

                        And my response to him was:

                        Delicate toes? You are a real piece of work.

                        You know what the difference is between you and me? No matter how much you degrade, insult or slander me or my brothers and sisters, I would still risk my life to help your sorry *** without giving it a second thought.

                        Here is a photograph I took at the National Fallen Firefighters Memorial. It has the names of 343 members of the Fire Department of New York who had "cushy" (your words, not mine) jobs on September 11, 2001.
                        Thomas Anthony, PE
                        Structures Specialist PA-TF1 & PA-ST1
                        Paramedic / Rescue Tech North Huntington Twp EMS
                        The artist formerly known as Captain 10-2

                        No, I am not a water rescue technician, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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                        • My thought after calming down is this....Mr. Gantenbein is not man enough to lick the ash of my Grandfathers 3/4's. And he will be thought of as such...not a man, as a unappreciative person who ranks right up their with politicians who use firefighters for their own personal interests at getting elected.
                          AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo

                          IAFF Local 3900

                          IACOJ-The Crusty Glow Worm

                          ENGINE 302 - The Fire Rats

                          F.A.N.T.A.M FOOLS FTM-PTB

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                          • Guess What...

                            The Alarm sound ...we get on the trucks and go to the call.....we do the best job possible.....we come back to the station(with the same amount of men we left with) and wait for the next call. Simplistic...yes, True... absolutely! He too will fade off just has Nelson Fudpucker.......
                            IACOJ Membership 2002
                            {15}

                            Mike IAFF

                            The beatings will continue until the morale improves

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                            • I think we should all go and order one of his books, cover them with some sort of accelerant and have a really big bon fire in his honor. By the way...what was that website on how to fix rectal-cranial inversion?

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                              • Amazing...

                                See... I take this personal but most of you have already expressed my opinions in your own posts. But I do have a couple of things to say...

                                Its one guys OPINION. I take it personally, and it well makes me disgusted. Is this going to change how I do what I do? No, definitely not.

                                Another thing is he is using the phrase "hero" incorrectly in my eyes. My hero is different from someone else’s hero; it’s all your beliefs on what makes a hero. Personally I don’t think it’s the actions that necessarily make a hero; it’s what they are willing to do. But don’t be confused, I don’t think every fireman is a hero, I know many in fact that are nothing but insults to the service, but that’s life.

                                The most important thing here, and maybe this little article has helped us realize, is that we must not abuse anything. Period, but it still does not make this article right. And let me tell ya, I am not writing an email to guy. He is getting a certified letter that he can sign for. I will give him an envelope and a stamp because I would love to hear a reply.

                                Just let’s stick together on this one, and try not to rip each other apart. That’s the great thing about the fire service family, we stick together. And I think we should exemplify this now.
                                Firefighter/EMT Mitch Cowen
                                Hose Co. 1 1st Lieutenant
                                Randolph Fire Co. Inc

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