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  • #16
    We use 2216 30min for firefighting and 4500 60 min for HAZMAT.
    Our thought is you don't need to be in a fire for more than 30 minutes, or at least thats what the guy with all the bugles says.
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    • #17
      My department switched to the 4500-30 minute bottles about a year ago. There are a lot of considerations before you make the switch. The biggest one has already been stated, can your compressor fill them. Our compressor could, it takes a while, but we can live with it because we bought a booster pump for the system. The booster pump will take a cascade bottle down to 200psi, while filling a bottle. Another thing to consider is your air powered tools. We kept a few 2216 bottles until we can replace the regulators on our chisels and other air operated equipment. One other cost item to remember is if you have the packs mounted in your seats, you will have to change out the clips.

      Our research showed that the 4500 system is a little more versatile than the 2216's. If we would ever decide to go to 45 or 60 minute bottles, all we have to do is move a strap. The carbon bottles are holding up pretty good so far. You will have to "retrain" people that they are a little more fragile than a steel bottle, so they take a little more precaution when placing them on the ground and things like that. We don't modify our trainings though, if they have to drag someone they still do it.
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      • #18
        We went with 45min 4500 you can half fill them and still be the same as a 30min 2216, manufacture doesn,t matter. There are only a couple bottle builders.

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        • #19
          We damaged a Scott Carbon 2216 during training. It was on a dummy and it was dragged on the floor or something. It scuffed it all up and we cut it in half to show everyone just how thin the sides of the bottles are.
          FTM - PTB

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          • #20
            Compressor strength

            The department that fills our bottles is buying a new cascade system that will fill the 45 minute and 60 bottles. Is this process for 45 and 60 minute bottles slower than for 2216psi?

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            • #21
              Re: Compressor strength

              Originally posted by LFDAC21
              The department that fills our bottles is buying a new cascade system that will fill the 45 minute and 60 bottles. Is this process for 45 and 60 minute bottles slower than for 2216psi?
              If the two systems filled at the same rate of PSI/second, then yes it would take a little longer. Are you changing the number of bottles you can fill at once? Are you going to be using an air compressor to fill the bottles or just the cascade system?
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              • #22
                Hey all,

                I would recommend the scott 4500 (30 Min.) Bottle. The Kevlar and new Carbon composite bottles are lighter weight and can be changed out between the scott 4.5 harness and the new scott airpak 50 harness.

                They might be a bit more expensive, but the reduced profile and reduced weight is going to make a big difference in your performance. The new carbon cylinders are only 6.9 lbs. empty. Imagine climbing an 80 story building wearing a ba and carrying two spares to the staging area!! Weight is a big difference.

                Don't be a cheap, when it comes to safety and modern technology. The fire service is rapidly becoming more technically advance. Not always for the better, haha.

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