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  • #16
    We are a Class 6(according to our estimations) but yet people in the area have said we are one of the best departments around the area but yet we really dont strive for the ISO points...if we happen to get em then fine..if not then thats fine too.Most people around here wouldnt know an ISO rating from a hole in the ground...all they are really concerned about is responding to thier incidents.
    Our MA company is a Class 8 I believe and youd be VERY lucky if they DID respond. LOL

    Donna C
    Fire Chief
    Bridge Canyon VFD
    http://cms.firehouse.com/dept/SeligmanAZ

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    • #17
      Definitions...............

      Originally posted by 4bugles
      I know if you say you need a tanker on the west side of the country you will see people look up and run for cover.

      If you ask for a tender on the eastern side, people look at you funny!
      That's easy... A Tanker brings water to a Fire, A Tender carries water for a steam locomotive......
      Last edited by hwoods; 10-11-2003, 05:21 PM.
      Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
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      Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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      • #18
        posted by Hwoods..
        That's easy... A Tanker brings water to a Fire, A Tender carries water for a steam locomotive......
        or..

        A tanker is a large mug for beer.

        A tender is a deep fried piece of boneless chicken served with a dipping sauce as a munchie to go with the beer!

        ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
        Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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        • #19
          Close, but no El Producto.........

          My Funkin' Wagnalls say the Beer thing is a Tankard..... Stay Safe....
          Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
          In memory of
          Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
          Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

          IACOJ Budget Analyst

          I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

          www.gdvfd18.com

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          • #20
            We are a Class 6(according to our estimations) but yet people in the area have said we are one of the best departments around the area but yet we really dont strive for the ISO points...if we happen to get em then fine..if not then thats fine too.
            No offense, but going by the apparatus and manpower listed on your website, I seriously doubt you're anywhere near a class 6 department.
            Member IACOJ

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            • #21
              West Coast= 75% of calls are EMS. ALS engines are everywhere.

              East Coast= EMS calls are for ambulances. ALS engines... (isn't Al the engineer on B-shift)

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              • #22
                A class 6 by your "estimations"------ huh--
                so thats how it works--- I "estimated" our little FD a one---- but thatgoldanged bull headed rater from ISO said we wuz jest a lowly 4
                Guess he took away points fur our painted helmets.
                ?

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                • #23
                  Re: Close, but no El Producto.........

                  Originally posted by hwoods
                  My Funkin' Wagnalls say the Beer thing is a Tankard..... Stay Safe....
                  in New Englandspeak..that would be a "tankahd" and a "tendah"... as in

                  "I'll have the 32 Ounce "tankahd" of Sam Adams Octobahfest Ale and an "ordah" of the chicken "tendahs" with with honey mustahd dipping sauce on the side"..

                  Damn...now I'm hungry and thirsty...
                  ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                  Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                  • #24
                    Gotta disagree with mr Bou on one of his statments bouts riots being a West coast problem--- The North East has had more than its fair share--- maybe not lately-but its something always apeeking around thee corner.
                    ?

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                    • #25
                      Oh Boy................

                      Ron, ROTFLMAO......... And, are you on the Towah Laddah today? Stay Safe....
                      Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                      In memory of
                      Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                      Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                      IACOJ Budget Analyst

                      I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                      www.gdvfd18.com

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                      • #26
                        We don't have a "Towah Laddah", but we have two "Laddahs".

                        The only time I get to play "Truckie Captain" on a Laddah is when we go on a mutual aid request for an additional "laddah", but if we do that, we do get to go to the "fiah"!
                        ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                        Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                        • #27
                          Some generalizations, East versus west:

                          East coast makes up words thinking somehow it is macho, ie towah, fyyyyah, etc, then go home and say tower and fire. It magically comes on at work. Somehow they think that will impress the public speaking like you didn't finish 2nd grade and have chief bugles.

                          West coast has better codes thus kills a lot less civilians and firefighters. The ratios of difference are as high as 8 and 12 to 1 deaths between some west and eastern states. You get what you invest in. Ie required sprinklers, detectors, adopting of model codes, hydrant spacing and flows, prevention and enforcement of same, etc. It is not just due to old buildings, look around almost any eastern city no hydrants in rural areas with thousands of people, no codes whatsoever, anything goes. Out west the state requires whatever the city or county won't in many cases.

                          East or West Coast things like ISO are really an issue of doing what is best for the public, having a Class 5 or worse, simply indicates you are offering poor fire protection seeing as how the measure is water 40%, fire apparatus 22% and trained people 24% of the grade. Everything else is an excuse. You will pay less for a go grading for insurance and your fire losses are in fact less! West has the best city and rural water supply scores and does it with less firefighters, greater spacing, and more innovation apparently.

                          Almost everyone on the east coast wants to be FDNY from look of thier apparatus, helmets, etc..when they don't have the staffing to pull it off, the FDNY worship is sickening from smoothbores to 2 1/2 inch hose.

                          West coast fire stations and departments are based upon need and rarely have a bar in them, east coast often starts as a bar and a club that happens to have fire trucks, not on need but often like a softball team to beat the other guy. Bar company is a east coast thing. 125,000 ff in PA versus 50,000 in CA, look at the difference in area, population, numberof fire trucks, etc

                          East coast thing is fire truck parades, absolutely unheard of on the west.

                          Tradition the badge of honor of the east coast, knife and fork members, 70 and 80 year old hanger ons, not a west coast thing. Most west fd's don't have a president, bingo, meeting hall, etc. West is there to offer service, period. East often hides the event to bring honor to the dead versus and open debate and report on the west to keep whatever from happening again.

                          West cost says the unit they are calling then identify themselves and east coast say who they are and then who they are calling.

                          East coast rarely follows there own personal safety rules or enforces them at all levels, (see any magazine photo for prrof) versus the west safety first and writeups galore if you don't want to follow the rules. You know, things like cheaters on the breathing apparatus, taking the liners out of the coats, free lancing on the fire ground, no accountability on the fire ground, pull up boots forever, wearing the scba but never buckling the waist belt, standing in the rescues, jump seats, etc. Look at LA with 18 years between firifighter deaths for any cause, then it was a helicopter falling out of the sky. Or Clark County with 1.5 million people, 28 years between firefighter deaths.

                          West coasters are more likely to work together over a large region, like 2 to 4 weeks a few hundred miles away, really have ICS figured out to do so.

                          Those are a selection of the obvious ones.

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                          • #28
                            Opinions are like um, well you know....everyone has one and they usually stink. Thanks for sharing.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by imtxff44
                              Some generalizations, East versus west:

                              East coast makes up words thinking somehow it is macho, ie towah, fyyyyah, etc, then go home and say tower and fire. It magically comes on at work. Somehow they think that will impress the public speaking like you didn't finish 2nd grade and have chief bugles.

                              yer wrong, y'all!

                              West coast has better codes thus kills a lot less civilians and firefighters. The ratios of difference are as high as 8 and 12 to 1 deaths between some west and eastern states. You get what you invest in. Ie required sprinklers, detectors, adopting of model codes, hydrant spacing and flows, prevention and enforcement of same, etc. It is not just due to old buildings, look around almost any eastern city no hydrants in rural areas with thousands of people, no codes whatsoever, anything goes. Out west the state requires whatever the city or county won't in many cases.

                              City: a community with a large population and a diverse infrastructure. Rural: sparsely populated, very little or no infrastructure. If a rural area has thousands of people, then it isn't rural is it?

                              East or West Coast things like ISO are really an issue of doing what is best for the public, having a Class 5 or worse, simply indicates you are offering poor fire protection seeing as how the measure is water 40%, fire apparatus 22% and trained people 24% of the grade. Everything else is an excuse. You will pay less for a go grading for insurance and your fire losses are in fact less! West has the best city and rural water supply scores and does it with less firefighters, greater spacing, and more innovation apparently.

                              yep, that's LHS variety trash talk again!

                              Almost everyone on the east coast wants to be FDNY from look of thier apparatus, helmets, etc..when they don't have the staffing to pull it off, the FDNY worship is sickening from smoothbores to 2 1/2 inch hose.

                              that's bovine scat... and are we showing just a wee bit of "nozzle and hose" envy here?

                              West coast fire stations and departments are based upon need and rarely have a bar in them, east coast often starts as a bar and a club that happens to have fire trucks, not on need but often like a softball team to beat the other guy. Bar company is a east coast thing. 125,000 ff in PA versus 50,000 in CA, look at the difference in area, population, numberof fire trucks, etc

                              you are looking at one state with a large percentage of volunteer departments. How many of the 125K firefighters in PA are actually active? You also forget that the east coast was being built up as the west was still populated by tumbleweeds...

                              East coast thing is fire truck parades, absolutely unheard of on the west.

                              So you are speaking for the entire Western part of the United States? Who appointed you spokesman? West Coasters: Demand a RECALL!

                              Tradition the badge of honor of the east coast, knife and fork members, 70 and 80 year old hanger ons, not a west coast thing. Most west fd's don't have a president, bingo, meeting hall, etc. West is there to offer service, period. East often hides the event to bring honor to the dead versus and open debate and report on the west to keep whatever from happening again.

                              more bovine scat from a know it all!

                              West cost says the unit they are calling then identify themselves and east coast say who they are and then who they are calling.

                              add more to the pile! I'll have to drag out my old 3/4 boots, as it is sure getting deep!

                              East coast rarely follows there own personal safety rules or enforces them at all levels, (see any magazine photo for prrof) versus the west safety first and writeups galore if you don't want to follow the rules. You know, things like cheaters on the breathing apparatus, taking the liners out of the coats, free lancing on the fire ground, no accountability on the fire ground, pull up boots forever, wearing the scba but never buckling the waist belt, standing in the rescues, jump seats, etc. Look at LA with 18 years between firifighter deaths for any cause, then it was a helicopter falling out of the sky. Or Clark County with 1.5 million people, 28 years between firefighter deaths.

                              a photo can be anywhere from 1/60th to 1/1000th of a second snapshot in time. I can recall a few covershots on Firehouse and Fire Engineering where West Coast firefighters were doing unsafe acts, yet again, a photo is just a snapshot in time....

                              West coasters are more likely to work together over a large region, like 2 to 4 weeks a few hundred miles away, really have ICS figured out to do so.

                              you are talking wildland firefighting here... or is it the 10,000 alarm tumblweed conflagration?

                              Those are a selection of the obvious ones.
                              Posted by 46 Truck
                              Opinions are like um, well you know....everyone has one and they usually stink. Thanks for sharing.

                              right on, Bro, right on!
                              Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 10-14-2003, 12:50 PM.
                              ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                              Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

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                              • #30
                                Wow imtx...You sure know a lot about EVERYTHING.
                                IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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