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  • #16
    Originally posted by Littlered3 View Post
    I am also a civil servant USAF 20 years next month. Here's my question? I am just so mad right now I could and have screamed and yelled. I had a fire in my home just about a week ago. It was kind of a rare situation. My hair straightner was accidently turned on and destroyed my master bedroom. The very next day at 1200PM my neighbors called 911 because they heard a loud pop, I have 4 fire departments within 5 miles of my home. The first responders were the same ones who responded the the day prior. I also live around 3 firemen 2 of which were off duty but jumped my 6 ft fence with a garden hose. The first responders assumed (correctly) that no-one was in the home. They didn't even look. Second they were walking around my house walking up with the hoses no-one was running and I mean no-one. I have a $300,000 home or should say I did. What started out as a electrical fire in the master bedroom in which 2 off duty firemen said they had a relatively good control on, (they told the captain where the fire was and the lay out of my home, he knew it anyway from the previous day) ended up becoming a 4 alarm fire that total my home! How long once a truck has arrived and the hoses are out do they have to turn the water or foam (in my case water) on? I feel so bad about being this mad, I know these men put their lives on the line every day, but what the hell? The neighbor across the street is the son of a long time vet of the fire dept he video taped the entire thing, it is just aweful to see, but how much time should it take to get water on a fire that 2 other off duty firemen have located?
    First of all, there are no standards on how fast you have to put water on a fire, etc. That is dependant on the situation, as is much of what you're asking. There are too many variables that one has to take into account. For example, if you had a fire the day previous and portions of that area have been charred, the charred area are going to catch fire faster than if they weren't charred.

    Second, no on should be running on a fireground. It's dangerous, plain and simple, to "run" in bunker gear, let alone missing a hole or something and tripping, or missing seeing something involving the fire.

    Last, no one on here (I would hope) would critique a fire based on a civilians accounts and questions. If you want opinions, it would require either one of us being there or video from start to finish showing each and every side, plus the interior. It's not that we are sticking up for our own (maybe part of it), but you cannot properly critique something with as many variables as a fire without a LOT of information.

    Out of curiosity, if you had a fire in your master bedroom area that destroyed your bedroom, how did you have an electrical fire originate in the same area? Did you not shut the breaker off to that portion of the home? I'm surprised the electric company didn't pull and block off the meter to the entire home until the wiring was repaired to their satisfaction.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Littlered3 View Post
      I am also a civil servant USAF 20 years next month. Here's my question? I am just so mad right now I could and have screamed and yelled. I had a fire in my home just about a week ago. It was kind of a rare situation. My hair straightner was accidently turned on and destroyed my master bedroom. The very next day at 1200PM my neighbors called 911 because they heard a loud pop, I have 4 fire departments within 5 miles of my home. The first responders were the same ones who responded the the day prior. I also live around 3 firemen 2 of which were off duty but jumped my 6 ft fence with a garden hose. The first responders assumed (correctly) that no-one was in the home. They didn't even look. Second they were walking around my house walking up with the hoses no-one was running and I mean no-one. I have a $300,000 home or should say I did. What started out as a electrical fire in the master bedroom in which 2 off duty firemen said they had a relatively good control on, (they told the captain where the fire was and the lay out of my home, he knew it anyway from the previous day) ended up becoming a 4 alarm fire that total my home! How long once a truck has arrived and the hoses are out do they have to turn the water or foam (in my case water) on? I feel so bad about being this mad, I know these men put their lives on the line every day, but what the hell? The neighbor across the street is the son of a long time vet of the fire dept he video taped the entire thing, it is just aweful to see, but how much time should it take to get water on a fire that 2 other off duty firemen have located?

      First of all thank you for being a veteran.


      After 6 years this topic was ant food and you unearth it??

      Why did you just start a new thread and leave this to reat in peace.

      So what it your complaint? You left the appliance on which caused the fire.

      Have your insurance company rebuild your house and then get another insurance company, as the present one will drop you as a bad risk.

      Most departments are immuned from bs lawsuits. You have to prove that the members did not do their job, period. Did they respond? Did they bring the trucks? Did they in fact lay out hose lines? Did they make an appempt to contain and put out the fire?

      You say 4 alarms? Is that four trucks coming to your event or maybe 8 trucks, that would be 2 trucks per alarm.

      I for one thnk that you are not telling everything here.

      Stay Safe and Well Out There....

      Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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      • #18
        My opinion and a lot of people are probably going to hate it but my opinion is that not everyone should be able to sue and I believe the problem comes back to the judges. They have the right to dismiss a case in the preliminary stages. Most judges know when it is a money seeker with an ambulance chasing lawyer. They could dismiss the case post-haste. But do not. Why? Because they are elected officials also. Dismissing one case can **** off 50 people but make only a few happy or relieved.

        But honestly for the welfare communities, I think you should have to pay taxes to be able to sue. They get everything for free anyway. Or whatever they receive in a settlement should go to pay for the food stamps they have received, HUD housing, the free healthcare and any taxes they should have payed over the years.

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        • #19
          Couple of questions?

          1. Do you have insurance? If yes, the only possible claim you have is for your uninsured loss.

          2. Was the electric service turned off after the first fire?

          3. Was either fire investigated? Who made the determination that the hair straightener caused the first fire? What caused the second fire?

          4. Where were you when the fires started?

          5. How do you accidentally turn on a hair straightener?
          PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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          • #20
            Huh.......

            Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
            Couple of questions:

            5. How do you accidentally turn on a hair straightener?



            What the heck is a "Hair Straightener"????....
            Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
            In memory of
            Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
            Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

            IACOJ Budget Analyst

            I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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            • #21
              Hey, this resembles the typical responses to an incident in my country: everyone is screaming that public service is not good enough!
              By the way there is no legal guarantee that FD will be able to fight your fire, fire behaviour is ruled by fluid mechanics, not by law or by insurance, so just take it as it comes and be happy that you didn't get hurt.
              And pay respect to those that fight fire everyday.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by hwoods View Post
                What the heck is a "Hair Straightener"????....
                Well, take a woman whom God has blessed with naturally curly, gorgeous hair. She gets up 2 hours earlier than she has to in order to iron her hair between two small irons that are held together in a V like device. The device locks on the hair and it pulls it straight. It gets real hot. But its damn near impossible to turn on accidentally.

                Thank God for baldness.
                PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Littlered3 View Post
                  The neighbor across the street is the son of a long time vet of the fire dept he video taped the entire thing,
                  So, where's the video???

                  On the comment about running...

                  We have a saying, "If you see me running, CATCH UP!"

                  Regular people run around during emergency's, FIREFIGHTERS are just to cool for that nonsense.. Besides, at least they didn't go into slow motion for you..
                  Originally posted by FyredUp
                  The only way to compensate for actual incident experience is to be trained properly, using established and accepted criteria, by those experienced enough to actually know what they are talking about.

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                  • #24
                    Hmmm..................

                    Thanks George. I shudda known.


                    Next Item - FOUR ALARMS??? It wasn't anywhere around this part of the World, that's for sure.

                    4 Alarms, Minimum: 16 Engines, 8 Ladder Trucks, 4 Heavy Rescues, 12 Chiefs, 4 EMS Units, Canteen, About 140 People altogether............
                    Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                    In memory of
                    Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                    Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                    IACOJ Budget Analyst

                    I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                    www.gdvfd18.com

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                    • #25
                      If the FD can be sued
                      for walking around my house walking up with the hoses no-one was running and I mean no-one.
                      Then I say the FD should be able to sue people who leave hair straighteners on.
                      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

                      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

                      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
                        If the FD can be sued

                        Then I say the FD should be able to sue people who leave hair straighteners on.
                        Thumbs up, buddy.
                        PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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