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  • PRIMARY attack line - Lay-in early!

    After finishing THIS ARTICLE about “firefighter’s caught and trapped”, Chief Vince Dunn dropped it off at a firehouse for a friend to review......... "I asked this veteran engine company officer to read it and tell me what he thought of it, and also for his opinion on why firefighters are caught and trapped when fighting structure fires. Several days later, I stopped by the firehouse and asked my friend what he thought of my article. He gave me a cup of coffee along with his comments. "No offense meant," he said, "but you chiefs still don't get it." "Get what?" I asked. He turned and pointed to a chalk sign someone had written on the kitchen blackboard: "It's the first attack line, stupid."
    "What's that supposed to mean?" I asked. He replied, "When are the bosses on this job going to finally recognize the first attack hoseline is the single most important firefighting action at a fire? When are you guys going to acknowledge and appreciate the first hoseline stretched at a fire saves lives, including saving lives of firefighters?"

    I echo his statement - your primary attack line, and its placement, may be the most important thing you can do during the initial stages of a fire in saving lives of occupants and firefighters.
    www.euro-firefighter.com

  • #2
    Now THAT is a good article. Nice job in the pic, too. Paul, what type nozzle would you like to have if you had the pipe that tour?

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    • #3
      Great question I ain't gonna rise to the bait! Place is well vented - plenty of fire demonstrating near full involvement on two or more floors - 15/16ths smooth-bore off the 1 3/4" line! Another line laid in behind for support.
      www.euro-firefighter.com

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      • #4
        Great article. But looking at that picture I can't see the point of pulling an 1 3/4 line. Maybe as a back-up/safety line.

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        • #5
          Not going tactical on this without seeing exposures and the stability of the upper floor/roof etc. If I was going inside I would take the 1 3/4" for ease of advancement in small rooms. Two 180 gpm lines will kill this amount of fire. If the structure isn't stable (they are laying in 1 3/4" I believe) I would use the larger lines and aerials to hit it from the street. You wanna lay in larger lines - fine, but it will slow your advance unless you got a crew of four backing each line up (maybe in NY eh)!
          www.euro-firefighter.com

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          • #6
            Great article. But looking at that picture I can't see the point of pulling an 1 3/4 line. Maybe as a back-up/safety line.
            HUH?

            If you're pulling an 1 3/4" line as a back up I'll have to assume you have used your 1" booster as the first attack line...RIGHT?

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            • #7
              The backup line should ALWAYS be larger than your initial attack line, right E229LT?
              Chris Minick, P.E., Firefighter II
              Structures Specialist, MD-TF 1

              These statements are mine and mine alone
              I.A.C.O.J. Building crust and proud of it

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              • #8
                I rarely say "ALWAYS"

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                • #9
                  Let's pick it apart

                  Here's the photo in question. What have we got? What do we need?

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                  • #10
                    I dont think that the inch and 3 qwaters is gonna get that done ......may be 3 of them .........
                    IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
                    Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
                    ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
                    RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
                    LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                    I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                    "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

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                    • #11
                      I dont think that the inch and 3 qwaters is gonna get that done
                      It did in Backdraft, though.............
                      The comments made by me are my opinions only. They DO NOT reflect the opinions of my employer(s). If you have an issue with something I may say, take it up with me, either by posting in the forums, emailing me through my profile, or PMing me through my profile.
                      We are all adults so there is no need to act like a child........
                      IACOJ

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                      • #12
                        I dont think that the inch and 3 qwaters is gonna get that done ......may be 3 of them .........
                        With all due respect, I think you're wrong.

                        At the risk of sounding cocky, I think this fire isn't as bad as it looks....how come????????

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                        • #13
                          well it has vented, there is some fire on division I and certainly heavy fre on the "A" side on divsion II. I dont see much coming out of the "B" side, so it may contained to the "A" side only. What are your thoughts Artie ?
                          IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
                          Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
                          ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
                          RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
                          LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                          I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                          "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                          http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

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                          • #14
                            I'll bite

                            Its pretty well ventilated.
                            IAFF-IACOJ PROUD

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                            • #15
                              Well vented on second floor.

                              Building appears to be a 2 story w/ peaked roof (small amount of fire showing there).

                              Building appears to be about 15 or so feet across.(a guess based on window size), unkown depth.

                              Does not appear to be fire showing from the Exp 2 or 4 sides.

                              1 1 3/4 line operating on first floor from door, fire darkened down.

                              or is it because there are no truckies there yet Loo?
                              Last edited by hfd66truck; 09-25-2003, 09:14 PM.

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