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    Hey Captstanm1, you usually have alot of posts from Florida fire news. Do you have anything on the city of Cocoa giving up its fire service. I have seen it on the news, but can't find anything in print. Sounds like a pretty bad situation with our Cocoa brothers getting the shaft. Thanks

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    From last month: Article
    Fire service survival tips:
    1) Cook at 350...
    2) Pump at 150...
    3) When in doubt, isolate and deny entry...
    4) When in trouble, claim lack of adult supervision.

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    • #3
      Same thing is happening in my department. The City of St Gabriel was counting on a tax swap to help balance the budget this spring. When the citizens voted it down the City cut back. Four part time positions and 2 full time positions were cut. We are currently working with One Fulltime Chief and two Fulltime Firefighters and one Parttime Firefighter. We also have about 10 volunteers. Right now the Chief works 4 days a week. I work days 42 hours a week, 12 hours a shift, 3on-2off-2on-3off. I'm paid for 40 hours a week, no holiday pay or comptime. The City provides no budget for equiptment so all my PPE comes from being a member of the volunteer dept. If I quit the VFD I have to turn in my PPE which means that I can't work for the City because I have to have PPE. Of course I could call Bunker Gear Specialists and pay for my own gear. The days I'm off the other fulltime guy works his 12 hour shifts and I'm on volunteer pager time. The partime guy works two 12 hour shifts, usually on the weekend. That gives us 1 paid guy working the station with the chief most weekdays backed up by whatever volunteers are around. At Night the department is all volunteer.
      On Oct 4 the Tax Swap is being reintroduced on the ballot and if it fails again the City will be looking to cut $900,000 from it's annual budget. We have been told that if that happens then those of us now working the Fire Department will be laid off and the FD will return to a totally Volunteer Department.
      See the Unofficial website for the City of St Gabriel Fire Department at http://www.geocities.com/cellblock776/stgabrielfire .

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      • #4
        Sorry....I been slacking!

        I have no information relating to Cocoa Beach....but I have attached a link to another thread that discusses an annexation that is being opposed...

        In other locations, Pasco County Fire took over Departments in Dade City (Career), Magnolia Valley (Volunteer), Land O'Lakes (volunteer) and is working on several other departments in the county. Closer to home Hernando County is attempting to consolidate with the City of Brooksville this year after taking about 20 square miles of its area last year in an attempt to choke it down. The offer to consolidate was rejected last year, but city leaders are considering the "consolidation" this year if certain stipulations that protect city firefighter's in a contractual agreement.

        I have been slacking and will see what I can find out. I have been working some doubles at my FD and been busy with my consultant job since it is budget time...

        Boca Raton Link
        http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...threadid=52684

        Dade City/Brooksville/Zephryhills Link
        http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...ight=dade+city
        09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
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        The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

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        • #5
          OK, heres what I know about the status of Cocoa, NOT Cocoa Beach FD. I live just down US 1 of Cocoa, and A1A of Cocoa Beach. The City of Cocoa would like to reduce the # of on duty FFs to 6, from 11 in 3 stations in the city. Another option for them would be to contract the fire services out to BCFR (Brevard County Fire Rescue) and have BCFR hire the current Cocoa FFs at their current pay grade/rank. This is all due to budget concerns in Cocoa, which is a primary low cost housing, not exactly the best kinda city. Anyways, hope this info is correct( it is from either www.floridatoday.com or from the news, of word of mouth)

          PS i am an explorer, bu tplease take me seriously
          AJ, MICP, FireMedic
          Member, IACOJ.
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          • #6
            Thanks for the replies. I hope the firefighters from Cocoa can fight their way thru this....what a shame. I find it hard to believe that a county can come in there and provide cheaper and better service than a city can and Captstanm1 I don't think anyone who reads these forums would call you a slacker. Thanks for all the input you do provide. Stay Safe Erveryone!!!!!

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            • #7
              Here is what I found when going through my mail

              City mulls hand-over of fire services

              By James Dean
              FLORIDA TODAY

              COCOA -- The City Council voted Tuesday night to continue negotiating a possible transfer of the city's fire services to the county, a decision that could disband the city's 50-person fire department by November.

              But the same 5-0 vote also directed the city manager to continue negotiations with the firefighters' union and return with new proposals from both sides, giving city firefighters hope they will not have to apply for new jobs.

              "We're going to go to the table willing to make concessions and hope the city bargains in good faith and deals fairly with its firefighters," said Richard Siwica, an attorney representing the International Association of Firefighters.

              At a special meeting to discuss the county's proposal for serving Cocoa at the city's Brevard Community College campus, many of the roughly 150 people in attendance jeered at the county proposal and gave standing ovations to supporters of the fire department.

              City officials announced last month that $32.5 million was needed to be trimmed from its budget, including about $5 million from the general fund, which pays for operating expenses such as employee wages and pensions.

              City Manager Ric Holt said pension and overtime costs at the fire department had ballooned, and the city would explore cutting nine firefighter positions or abolishing the city department.

              After reviewing the county's proposal, city officials said such a move could save the city more than $40,000 a month, and nearly $17 million across 10 years.

              The proposal would not eliminate any of the city's three fire stations, but would reduce to 33 the number of firefighters at the stations. Paramedics trained to administer advanced medical support also would be at each of the stations.

              "It's better bang for the buck," said Wendy Widmann, the city's administrative services director. "You're getting a better level of service at a lower cost -- you can't ask for anything better than that."

              But opponents of the proposal said it was misleading to suggest that service would not suffer. To begin with, firefighters said their response time to emergency calls was twice as fast -- less than 4 minutes -- as numbers presented by the city.

              "The service we provide is exclusive to Cocoa," Cocoa firefighter Allen White said. "If there's a big accident out onI-95, where do you think they're going to pull from?"

              White said the county proposal was troublesome, because it does not guarantee job security for firefighters.

              Because 33 positions would be created if the county took over Cocoa's fire service and 20 currently vacant positions exist, city officials said it was possible no firefighters would lose their jobs – a better alternative than layoffs.

              Brevard County Fire Chief William Farmer said lieutenants and battalion chiefs who passed tests would be hired and placed at equivalent ranks. How long firefighters worked would determine whether they start at base pay levels, Farmer said.

              Meanwhile, Siwica said the firefighters' union was willing to make concessions worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, including freezing wages, cutting benefits and not filling vacant positions.

              Union representatives are scheduled to meet Monday with Holt for additional talks.
              09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
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              IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
              "Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
              BMI Investigator
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              The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

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              • #8
                County to vote on Cocoa fire fighting

                By John McCarthy
                FLORIDA TODAY



                VIERA -- Brevard County commissioners today are scheduled to consider a proposed deal to provide firefighting service for Cocoa. But an ongoing lawsuit from the city's firefighters union might delay it.

                Cocoa, facing a budget crunch, wants to contract with the county to provide firefighting and emergency medical services. Commissioners were set to vote on the pact Oct. 21, but concerns about a lawsuit the city's firefighters filed the day before to block the move and other questions about the deal led the county to table the matter until today. A court hearing that was set for Thursday was postponed until Dec. 18. If the commission ratifies the proposed contract, it could take over Cocoa firefighting duties as early as Dec. 1.
                09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
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                IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
                "Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
                BMI Investigator
                ------------------------------
                The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

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