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  • Frequently Asked Questions in means of escape:

    During a fire emergency, tenants evacuate via the stairs, and tenants with disabilities wait on the stair landings if elevators are not working, protected by a stairwell pressurization system. All procedures are laid out in the buildings Fire Safety Plan, which is approved by the local Fire Service. But is it adequate?

    It is important to realize that an able-bodied person among the building population may become situational disability in the context of high rise evacuation, and may need assistance to get down the stairs.

    How to get these people down quickly and with minimum assistance in the absence of elevators?

    How to empty the total building population in the shortest possible time in the event of the worst conceivable scenario that could happen to a tall structure?

    How to correct egress deficiencies in old building or to provide additional emergency exit(s) or increase the size of existing stairways for mass rapid evacuation where it is not possible due to building structure?

    Would someone care to share their views, offer possible solutions..........

  • #2
    It's a Dirty Job, but Someone has to Say:

    In my personal opinion, it's time to cut this off. This thread seems to be another one where someone is on a fishing expedition, looking for support for Escape Chutes. I belive there is a commercial intent here and I am filing a complaint with the WT.
    Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
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    Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
    Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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    I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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    • #3
      I kinda thought the same thing when I saw the first post. When are these salesmen/distributors/consultants going to get it through their heads?????
      The comments made by me are my opinions only. They DO NOT reflect the opinions of my employer(s). If you have an issue with something I may say, take it up with me, either by posting in the forums, emailing me through my profile, or PMing me through my profile.
      We are all adults so there is no need to act like a child........
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      • #4
        Are the questions in this thread make sense or logic to the fire and building community?

        What this thread hope to achieve is to have someone to share their views, offer possible solutions..........

        Please do not take it persoonally that someone is on a fishing expedition, looking for support for .............

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        • #5
          Well escapeconsult, you have tried multiple times to prove your case and get support for your product here. Each time, you don't find it, you don't answer the questions that are posed to you, then you disappear for a while and then start another thread on the same topic.

          For the rest, this is why there is an Ignore button.
          "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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          • #6
            I am sure that the sales and marketing team at this website would be glad to sell you some advertising space.
            Or are you merely trying to gain support for the next revolutionary fire safety product?
            Regardless, you are dangerously close to crossing a very thin line.
            Perhaps you should check with the Terms of Agreement.
            CR
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            • #7
              originally posted by Bones42
              ......you don't answer the questions that are posed to you, then you disappear for a while and .........
              this allegation is untrue! my apology if i did not provide you with the precise answers to your questions. it is not easy to provide RIGHT answers "to avoid dangerously close to crossing a very thin line" and yet to be misunderstood for "trying to sell the next revolutionary fire safety product" in this forum.

              I'm still feeling puzzle of why people are against the TRUTH of this issue posted in this thread?

              I quote from news articles of October 3, 2002:

              (Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, who is on the board of
              directors of Advanced Evacuation Systems, said that during his years in the Israeli Defense Force and later as a public servant, he saw the enormous effort that was needed to respond to emergency situations and the importance of planning in dealing with those situations successfully. He said the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, made clear what every fire department official and emergency manager around the world has known for a long time: "Our tallest buildings and largest structures are vulnerable. Whether in a fire or an earthquake or -- heaven forbid -- another terrorist attack, the
              systems we have in place right now to evacuate people in urban settings are, quite frankly, inadequate.")

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              • #8
                Not against the truth at all. I won't argue that people in upper floors of tall buildings are at risk. I'm just having a hard time imagining a chute coming out a window, say even 1 every 5 floors, going 60 floors at least. Some buildings would require multiple chutes, where are they going to be without hitting each other on the way down? If there aren't that many chutes available, then will they really benefit without being able to get to a floor that has the chute? Where would the chute end up? In the middle of a street? That might cause a little traffic related risk to individuals. The article you posted in an earlier thread, about the man using a chute to escape from a truck, was good and showed a good use of the chute. I agree, something better needs to be done to help people escape, I just don't see these chutes as that thing. Sorry, but that's my opinion.
                "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                • #9
                  Bones, if you were trying to sell it, you could imagine it.
                  PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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                  • #10
                    originally posted by Bones42
                    .....If there aren't that many chutes available, then will they really benefit without being able to get to a floor that has the chute?.....
                    Bones, I guess you have got a misconception about the application of escape chute in aiding building evacuation. The system was developed in response to quick emergency egress of all kinds including terrorist threats. It is an innovative ways of getting people out of buildings faster before the situation deterioriates or terrorist attacks.

                    Once again, I wish to reiterate that this life saving chute is not a replacement of exit stairs but is an additional safety feature to speed up the emergency egress process when the elevator is not working. It is also a means for the disabled to self-escape from the upper-floor giving them a better chance of getting out alive before the situation gets out of control. Therefore, in an emergency evacuation, building occupants should not rely on chute alone but also the exit stairs that are available.

                    Planning saves lives! In any fire plan when there is no contingency for eventual evacuation of persons waiting in refuges will place the lives of these people at risk.Tragedy could arise when a fire breaks out in that building and pose a fire trap to those who cannot evacuate themselves by stairs. It has to be a concerted effort by the authorities and the public to address such issue. Sorry, but that's my opinion.

                    Its my opinion that when planning the human egress feature of a building, the design consideration for the evacuation of those people who are unable to use stairs, such as the disabled individuals, should also be included. Such as, to incorporate an accessible means of egress designed into the structure (mulitple-chutes) which enabled evacuation access to everyone including the disabled at the building planning process stage.

                    Custom designed chutes can be installed in existing buildings. The system is packaged into a relatively small, unobtrusive container, that can be retrofitted into the window, balcony and rooftop of buildings. To deploy the system, released a mechanism manually at the compact receptacle where the chute is stored and within seconds it unfolds the chute to fall vertically to ground.

                    As in all evacuation plan, first responders, building managers and even tenants would be trained and drilled in how to deploy the system safely. Inside the building a fire warden issues directives to the evacuees, giving the go-ahead when it is safe for the next person to enter the chute. At ground a fire warden assist the evacuees to get out the chute quickly. In this way, the evacuation process will be well coordinated and panic situations can be avoided and more lives can be saved!

                    Therefore, a safe and speedy egress from tall structures can be achieved or improved at additional cost. So that if an eventual evacuation occurs, the simultaneously used of exit stairs and escape chute would takes much lesser time to empty the total building population. That's my opinion!

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                    • #11
                      You're on the list........

                      Escapeconsult, you have just joined cdevoe on my very short list of those who just don't get it, and have been put on the "Ignore" list.
                      Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                      In memory of
                      Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                      Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                      IACOJ Budget Analyst

                      I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                      www.gdvfd18.com

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                      • #12
                        hwoods, I'm just answering to those questions posed by bones, no hard feeling please!

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                        • #13
                          While I agree with Chief Woods, Bones & George,
                          I have to wonder...
                          A 210 pound person, sliding down a plastic (I'm assuming) slide and sliding down said slide 10+ stories, how fast will my body be moving? How will I stop my forward momentum? What is going to catch me at the end? Who will stop the next person from getting on this slide too soon?
                          I think the idea is not realistic.
                          Please don't use this forum to market your products.

                          *Mark
                          FTM-PTB-RFB-EGH

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                          • #14
                            Mark, there are ways to get around this problem. But if I were to explain or elaborate the solution, would people again misunderstood that I'm trying to market next revolutionary fire safety product in this forum?

                            I find this forum is very meaninful for sharing infomation and solutions to fire related topics! But sad to say.............

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by escapeconsult
                              Mark, there are ways to get around this problem. But if I were to explain or elaborate the solution, would people again misunderstood that I'm trying to market next revolutionary fire safety product in this forum?

                              I find this forum is very meaninful for sharing infomation and solutions to fire related topics! But sad to say.............
                              While I'd like to hear your "ways to get around this problem" I do not want to be marketed on this forum.
                              You'll see I italicized a quote from your last post. This is exactly what people do not want. This is exactly in violation of Firehouse.com Forum user rules.

                              *Mark
                              Last edited by mark440; 09-11-2003, 06:18 AM.
                              FTM-PTB-RFB-EGH

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