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  • Duffman
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    They cut costs, they didn't close the station. There is no reason why with proper leadership they cannot provide the same level of protection as before.
    If they had full time staff, and they now have to rely on volunteers responding from home or mutual aid, they are not providing the same level of service.

    An increase in response time is a reduction in the level of service.

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  • Engine2WhgFire
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    Thanks orangebuster for your accurate help in this post.

    Radio....just for your info, it was a 24/7 paid dept. with 12 paid on call others. yes 2 is a low number to start with, but with EMS being the majority of the call volume, 2, I think is wayyy better than none.

    This isn't a volly vs paid issue, these are the facts!

    3 untrained personel with antiquated equipment spells disaster.

    I feel the chief has tried everything in his power to keep it alive to no avail.

    One of the councilwoman says the fact that these paid guys refuse to do this job for free states they dont care about thier community. Wonder how many of the town council, street dept. and other city workers would feel if they were offered to do their jobs for free.

    How about all of you? Would you get fired from your job, then come back and do it for free?? No would be the logical answer. Council is making a mistake in Bellaire, make no mistake about it.

    My advice to them.....Dont Play With Fire!!!!!

    We have seen other local communities attempt this before here and it was unsuccessful. This town could afford to continue jobs of the firefighters by making some adjustments. I have followed this issue and helped my brothers with a pickett and went to a council meeting to help them in thier fight.

    Anybody here that suggests they are making a good decision is severely misinformed.

    Anybody who volunteers to take a mans job and do it for free is nothing less than a scab.

    I have nothing against volunteers in small communities, but the trend is to go from volunteer to paid. not the reverse.

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  • orangebuster
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    Mr.Yoho is correct that the neighboring departments are volunteer companies, and two of them are going to be putting a day crew on to help them cover their own areas.

    As far as going county wide for services, that probably would not happen in that area. There is one other full time department in the County and they are pretty much run ragged with the calls they answser already, even though their shift are larger in crew numbers.

    Going to a volunteer company is going to be really difficult for that village. I am a volunteer and have been for over 30 years. The days of getting large amounts of people to volunteer in this general area are more and more difficult each year. The economy has fallen flat on its face here, and the jobs in the mines, mills, railroads, and the construction areas all have dropped tremendously as the census notes.
    With only 3 takers so far to join the department I do not see it getting better.

    Truth is, this is not a paid-volly battle in that town. The hidden agenda as Mr. Yohi indicated is the reason behind it all. 4 council members voted against trying to find a way to keep the paid guys on. Didn't see either one of them sign up.

    Good guys getting a bad deal as are the citizens. 3 member volly company with no training.Sounds like trouble for Bellaire.


    STILL STANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • mcaldwell
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    I feel for these guys, as I witnessed the same thing happen to my home town as a teenager.

    Our Northern Ontario Rail/Mining town dropped from a population of 6000+ to less then 3000 over a span of 10 years. We lost our Ambulance, Police Dept, Rail Police Dept, and the VFD and other municipal services saw a dramatic drop in budget. We also lost our local YMCA, and dozens of local businesses went under including our movie theatre (absolute disaster to a teenager).

    The worst part of these types of events, is that the town doesn't really shrink in size, so the tax dollars available for upkeep of community parks and other services get stretched until they break. We lost all but two of or our parks and playgrounds, so the kids have nothing to do. Crime went up and the standard of living went through the floor.

    My parents still live their so I visit for a week or so every year, but it is very depressing to return and remember what we used to have. I'm sure this community is struggling with many other issues related to the loss of the population/tax base as well.

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  • radioguy
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    Whoa here, going to a volunteer department is far from being "unprotected", unless those 6 paid guys were manning the station 24/7 with a full crew, which I doubt. At best you had what, 2 per shift?

    They cut costs, they didn't close the station. There is no reason why with proper leadership they cannot provide the same level of protection as before.

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  • Engine2WhgFire
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    Sorry it took me so long!

    Sorry I had to post and run on this one. With working on shift yesterday, and youth football today, I haven't had time to get online. Orangebuster covered the details pretty well. However the neighboring departments they have are volunteer and already have problems getting out. My department sits across the river and state line from theirs. The people of Bellaire, in so many words, are going to be left unprotected. There were many other ways to FIX Bellaires budget, some of which were offered and council, at least 4 of the six of them, wouldn't consider it. It's obvious to me that there was a hidden agenda throughout this whole ordeal. This was a Paramedic ambulance too. There will be no gaurantee of that after Sept. Bellaire Firefighters were a reliable and dedicated department. They were cut a bad deal, and the residents will be the ones who suffer from the poor decision made by their council people.

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  • Cellblock776
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    corrected link

    sorry. the correct url to St Gabriel FD is :
    http://www.geocities.com/cellblock776/stgabrielfire

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  • Cellblock776
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    happening here too

    I hate to see it happening anywhere but lots of communities are finding it difficult to fund City Services. I work full time for the City of St Gabriel, Louisiana. The City rests inside of Iberville Fire District 1 which has been covered by a volunteer FD since 1974. A few years ago the Mayor realised that the City Charter required having a Fire Chief for the Town. The Mayor recommended and the Council approved the appointment of our volunteer Chief as the Cities official Chief. A short time later the City budgeted the Chief a salary and to decrease response times gave him a budget to hire some of the volunteers to work parttime at the main fire station. The parttimers worked weeknights from 6pm-6am and soon it was decided to hire fulltimers to have at least one firefighter at the station 24/7. The fulltimer would get a truck enroute and be backed up on every call by the volunteers. This year we saw budget cuts which led to the layoffs of all of the parttimers. Of the 3 fulltimers, one was cut to parttime, 20 hours a week, and 2 of us were kept fulltime. The Chief put me and the other fulltimer working nights, 6pm-6am, opposite each other. The Chief works works 10 hours every Mon, Tue, Thurs and Friday. The Partimer comes in during the day Wed and one weekend day.
    On Oct 4 we will have a tax election. If the citizens don't agree to increased property taxes then the entire budget for the Fire Department will be cut by the City and we will revert back to our original all Volunteer status. That means I will take my FF1/EMT-B creddentials and begin job hunting again.
    To learn more about the St Gabriel/East Iberville VFD you can check out the site i built at: http://www.geocities.com/cellblock/stgabrielfire

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  • hwoods
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    Orangebuster, Thank You.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one here who appreciates the input from someone who knows more about the situation. Thank You for the update. A Question for anyone from that part of Ohio who understands local government. Would a County wide system work? Take the entire County and divide it up so that each station would be responsible for anything that they are the closer to than any other station. Then have an evenly levied County wide tax to pay for it. Seems to me that the town is just too small to afford paid folks full time, but a County wide system would give ALL departments in the County a better shot at getting more help. Stay Safe....

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  • orangebuster
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    This story has been going on in this town for sometime. If I am correct, the department has 6 full time members, whereas the village is supposed to be running with 11 full time, but budget problems for years have caused the cutback. There are also Paid on call members that are running with the fire department.

    The Chief has tried every avenue of stopping the situation from happening, and as of last week had brought up the possibility of the department going to a private company and lowering the villages financial obligation from 400k to 150k and pay salaries from ems billing and fire service fees. However, the village council still insists that they will not even explore this avenue and voted to abolish the department and go all volunteer.

    To keep you further in tune, the fire department has been paid for many years, and the decrease in population as previously noted has also hurt the finances as have industry moving from that area to other areas. In the last few years the department has taken over the ems sector and has managed to support itself and the department to a degree.

    The department operates some very old apparatus currently, and a new engine has been on order. These guys have done a bang up job with limited resources for years and they do not deserve what is happening to them, nor do the people they serve.

    As to date, a 3rd firefighter resigned, leaving the chief to cover extra shifts, and there have been 3 people that have shown interest in becoming a volunteer for the department.

    Mutual aid departments are very close. And to myh knowledge these departments are going the other way by putting some paid members on to cover certain hours of the day, as have other departments in Belmont County.

    Not quite the boondocks, but this is a limited resource area for industry and business.

    Hope that the council can review the chief's request for the department to go private so that they can still function in the same capacity and provide their residents and others the professional service they have always give.

    I am 15 miles or so north of them, and even though our departments donot work with each other, I know their cheif and some members and they are all stand up people.



    STILL STANDIND

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  • neiowa
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    from the 1990 Census: 10,480 people
    from the 2000 United States Census: 4,892 people

    That's got to be a challenge for any city government budget. Loose 53% of your population and tax $ are going to fall. Any town of 5000 people able to afford a paid dept? Looks like in boondocks SE OH on WV border. I'm pretty sure that isn't exactly a rich yuppie part of the world.
    Last edited by neiowa; 08-22-2003, 06:21 PM.

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  • jaybird210
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    Redirecting SUCKS. How's about a little cut 'n paste...

    After more than six months of battling to keep a paid fire and EMS squad in the Village of Bellaire, the fight is over. At Thursday night's council meeting, Bellaire council voted in favor of changing the fire department from paid to volunteer. Many residents at the meeting disagree with the decision. The department was set to run out of money on August 23rd, but council extended the deadline until September 20th.

    Now some of the firefighters are taking the issue into their own hands, ten of the twelve paid on-call firefighters have already put in their resignation effective September 20th.

    Fire Chief Mike Wallace says his duty as a firefighter will still stand.

    Council's decision may eventually put a strain on all residents of Bellaire, but for the families of firefighters, the strain begins right now.

    Council has not ruled out the idea of working with a private company.
    Now that I look at it again, it's hard to tell, isn't it? Are they paid career? Or POC? Or Combo, and she's referring to the POCs? Damn media.....

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  • jaybird210
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    I'm going back to re-read this story. I did not catch the part where it said anything about POC. I thought these were fulltime career guys....

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  • Duffman
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    I found it interesting that the reporter felt losing their paid on call position would put a strain on the firefighters families. I wonder just how much they were paid per call?

    I have never known a POC firefighter to rely on his FD money to pay the bills.

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  • radioguy
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    I can agree to a point about the waiting part, the way our department was set up many eons ago the charter limits the number of firefighters allowed at one time. They have just left it that way because it ensures that we don't spend a lot of money on turnout gear and insurance for a whole lot of people that don't ever do anything. I say a waiting list, but it is usually one or two pending applications awaiting a slot to come open.

    We are doing pretty well as is, and I guess they just don't want to mess with a system that works. But I can definitly see where it would be nice to be able to take anyone right when they want to, insted of waiting 3-6 months for a position to open.

    We better stop hijacking the topic.....

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