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  • Lewiston2Capt
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    Just to lighten the mood a little.

    A French Canadian and a Guy from Ontario were walking along the Lake Ontario beach arguing about politics when one of them stumbled over an object in the sand. When they picked it up and cleaned it up to see what it was a Genie came out.
    The Genie said to the two, "Since you have rescued me I will grant you each one wish".
    The French Canadian decided he would go first and said, " I wish for a 300 foot high wall to be built around the province of Quebec to that we can finally be separated from Canada".
    And with that the Genie said done, and so it was.

    When it was the guy from Ontario's turn the genie asked him what he wanted, and he thought about it for a little while, and finally he looked up and said, "Fill it with water".

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  • manofire2
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    Originally posted by LadyCapn
    Maybe we need to stop electing our Prime Ministers from Quebec they might be a little more interested in representing ALL of the Country.
    We're doing our part here in the dark side (west) now it's up to you to convince all of your firends in "upper" Canada. If you vote liberal you are not part of the problem, you are the problem. Be part of the solution.

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  • RspctFrmCalgary
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    BINGO!!!

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  • LadyCapn
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    Maybe we need to stop electing our Prime Ministers from Quebec they might be a little more interested in representing ALL of the Country.

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  • RspctFrmCalgary
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    I guess I wasn't really shocked, just needed to vent.

    Now he plays with us, oh I might quit sooner .... YEAH RIGHT, ONLY IN OUR WILDEST DREAMS!

    National Acadian Day gets more attention from Chretien than the fact that BC is burning.

    Maybe he's secretly hoping BC and Alberta will burn up and he'll be rid of us once and for all.

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  • manofire2
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    Re: Time for a change...........

    Originally posted by hwoods
    Time to throw out the idiots??? Sure is. But, it's also time to change the very foundation of government as well. Scrap the Prime Minister and all those things that go with the European style government and establish something similar to the U.S. Here, we may not be perfect, but we have some control over the mutts, like knowing exactly when the next 20 elections will be held. I am amazed that, in this day and age, that people put up with the stuff that Canada seems to have to endure, solely because of a type of government that was outmoded many years ago. Dump the idiots, dump the system that feeds them. Stay Safe....
    Easier said than done. In order to change our system of government those in charge must buy into the change and buying into the change may put them being in charge in jeopardy. To put it in a not so simple way, Ontario would have to be relieved some of their power but in order to do that Ontario would have to agree and they're not apt to do that.

    The purpose of a Canadian Member of Parliament is only to get re-eleted and for an Ontario MP to suggest moving the balance of power to the regions is political suicide. The Prime Minister holds the Country at his mercy, knowing that as long as one province, Ontario votes for his party then the rest of the Country can go to hell and he remains untouchable. The regions can't spur change it can only happen in the heart and until voters in Ontario are willing to give up some of their power we are stuck with the Shawinigan Madman.

    Another subject is Chretiens total indifference in regard to the fires in the west. He is far more interested in hosting French President Chirac than he is in dealing with domestic issues. If he was musical you could say "Chretien fiddles while BC burns".

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  • hwoods
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    Time for a change...........

    Time to throw out the idiots??? Sure is. But, it's also time to change the very foundation of government as well. Scrap the Prime Minister and all those things that go with the European style government and establish something similar to the U.S. Here, we may not be perfect, but we have some control over the mutts, like knowing exactly when the next 20 elections will be held. I am amazed that, in this day and age, that people put up with the stuff that Canada seems to have to endure, solely because of a type of government that was outmoded many years ago. Dump the idiots, dump the system that feeds them. Stay Safe....

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  • CollegeBuff
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    Eves said preventing any more blackouts in Toronto was not an option. Each town and city is allotted a specific amount of power and it is up to them how to use it, he said.
    Kind of says it all, doesn't it?


    The Americans lived a black day they will never forget. They lived a day of terror and fear… a state of chaos and confusion where looting and pillaging rampaged the cities, just like the capital of the caliphate Baghdad, and Afghanistan and Palestine were. Let the American people take a sip from the same glass.'

    I see the former Iraqi Information Minister has found new employment.... :

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in this. World Tribune is not exactly the AP.

    __________________________________________________ __________

    Al Qaida claims responsibility for blackout

    SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
    Monday, August 18, 2003
    Al Qaida's Abu Hafs Brigades has claimed responsibility for the blackout last week in the Northeast and Midwest United States. A communiqué by the Abu Hafs Brigades made reference to Operation Quick Lightning in the Land of the Tyrant of this Generation."

    It was published as "the third communiqué by the "Brigades."

    In the first, they accepted responsibility for the downing of an airplane in Kenya. The second accepted responsibility for the Jakarta bombing of the Marriott hotel on August 5, 2003.

    The new communiqué says that in compliance with the orders of Osama bin Laden to strike at the American economy, the Brigades struck two important electricity supply targets on the East coast, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute. The Brigades say that they cannot reveal how they did it, because they will probably have to use the same method again soon. The communiqué also claimed that the operation was meant as a present for the Iraqi people.

    The following are excerpts from a report by the London-based Arabic daily Al-Hayat about the communiqué: [1]

    The Blackout was 'a Realization of Bin Laden's promise to offer the Iraqi people a present'
    "A communiqué attributed to Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the power blackout that happened in the U.S. last Thursday, saying that the brigades of Abu Fahes Al Masri had hit two main power plants supplying the East of the U.S., as well as major industrial cities in the U.S. and Canada, 'its ally in the war against Islam (New York and Toronto) and their neighbors.'
    "The communiqué assured that the operation 'was carried out on the orders of Osama bin Laden to hit the pillars of the U.S. economy,' as 'a realization of bin Laden's promise to offer the Iraqi people a present.'

    'The Americans lived a black day they will never forget'
    "The statement, which Al-Hayat obtained from the website of the International Islamic Media Center, didn't specify the way the alleged sabotage was carried out. The communiqué read: 'let the criminal Bush and his gang know that the punishment is the result of the action, the soldiers of God cut the power on these cities, they darkened the lives of the Americans as these criminals blackened the lives of the Muslim people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. The Americans lived a black day they will never forget. They lived a day of terror and fear… a state of chaos and confusion where looting and pillaging rampaged the cities, just like the capital of the caliphate Baghdad, and Afghanistan and Palestine were. Let the American people take a sip from the same glass.'

    'The U.S. will not live in peace until our conditions are met'
    "It added: 'we heard amazing statements made by the American and Canadian enemies which have nuclear physics universities and space agencies, that lightning hit and destroyed the two plants. And we are supposed to believe this nonsense. If the blackout occurred in one or two cities, their lie would have been credible. But the fact is that the blackout hit the entire East and part of Canada.'
    "The communiqué continued: 'one of the benefits of this strike is that the U.S. will not live in peace until our conditions are met, such as releasing all the detainees including Sheikh Omar Abdulrahman, and getting out of the land of the Muslims, including Jerusalem and Kashmir.'

    "The authors of the communiqué said that the strikes aimed at 'hitting the major pillar of the U.S. economy (the Stock Exchange)… [and] the UN, which is opposed to Islam, and is based in New York. It is a message to all the investors that the U.S. is no longer a safe country for their money, knowing that the U.S. economy greatly relies on the trust of the investor…'

    'The gift of Sheikh Osama Bin Laden is on its way to the White House'
    "The communiqué mentioned that some economists said the blackout in the U.S. and Canada would cost the U.S. Treasury no less than ten billion U.S. dollars and in order to 'break the hearts of U.S. officials, just know that the cost paid by the Moujahideen to sabotage the power plants was a mere seven thousand dollars. Die of sorrow!'
    "The communiqué ended with: 'we tell the Muslims that this is not the awaited strike, but it is called the war of skirmishes (to drain the enemy), and that the American snakes are enormous and need to be consumed and weakened to be destroyed. We tell the people of Afghanistan and Kashmir that the gift of Sheikh Osama bin Laden is on its way to the White House; then the gift of Al Aqsa, and do we know what is the gift of Al Aqsa, where and when? The answer is what you are seeing!'

    [1] Published in English on Dar Al-Hayat website, August 18, 2003,

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  • Smoke20286
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    Hey Ralph, you may have a clown for a mayor, but ours is the clown prince

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  • RalphSafety
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    Chretien

    Sheri,
    I'm surprised that you're surprised by Chretien's indifference. The most memorable comment I've read about him went something like this "Jean Chretien doesn't care, and he doesn't care if you know that he doesn't care" Thankfully, Chretien and Mel Lastman, Toronto's Clown of a Mayor, will soon be gone, and we will have to start cleaning up the mess they made.

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  • Smoke20286
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    Powergrids on both sides of the border are very vunerable, Just what would Chretien have done anyhow (I have yet to see a politician that was anything but in the way at moments of emergency) Whats the latest on the blame game? Last I heard they had narrowed the original problem down to a plant outside Cleveland, Ohio.

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  • NJFFSA16
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    And here in the states.....

    NEW YORK (AP) - The blackout disrupted emergency dispatch
    systems in two major cities, leaving 911 operators in Detroit
    hand-writing notes to distribute to police officers on the streets
    and cutting communications between New York dispatchers and
    personnel for spans as long as 14 minutes, officials have
    acknowledged.
    The three extended New York disruptions - of 14, 11 and 7
    minutes - did not affect incoming 911 calls from the public, but
    they cut off normal communication between dispatchers and emergency
    personnel on the street, said fire department spokesman Mike
    Loughran.
    Loughran said the fire department, which dispatches emergency
    services, has a backup system that could relay calls directly over
    hand-held radios if necessary.
    Residents in Detroit could also make emergency 911 calls during
    the two-hour computer failure, but the computer-assisted dispatch
    system normally used by operators to record the calls and dispatch
    the appropriate responders was down, said Jamaine Dickens, a
    spokesman for Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.
    The Detroit operators were left to write out the details of the
    calls on paper and distribute the information by hand to police,
    fire and emergency medical service dispatchers, but there appeared
    to be little impact on the response, Dickens said.
    "There wasn't a delay at all because we had so many resources
    on the street and we were able to communicate with them and they
    could respond immediately," he said.
    The problems in New York weren't critical, and city officials
    said no 911 calls were completely lost, but the city will
    investigate, Bloomberg said Sunday.
    But "any delay, any outage is unacceptable with a system like
    911," Bloomberg said. "We've got to make sure that doesn't happen
    again."
    The New York disruptions were caused by the failure of a backup
    diesel generator at the Verizon Communications office that supplies
    power to the city's 911 headquarters, company spokesman John Bonomo
    said.
    The police department also experienced some limited problems
    with its hand-held radios in the early hours of the blackout when
    batteries for repeaters, which boost the signal between radios, ran
    down sooner than expected, a city official told The Associated
    Press on condition of anonymity.
    On Sunday, nine police precincts still had problems connecting
    to the department's main computer system, stemming from disruptions
    with cable modem connections.
    Emergency workers elsewhere in the blackout zone also reported
    minor equipment problems, particularly with computers in vehicles,
    cell phones and lag time between the power loss and emergency
    generators kicking in.
    In Ottawa, Canada, some police officers said they had trouble
    communicating with their dispatchers through cell phones and
    on-board computers and were forced to use pay phones, the Ottawa
    Citizen reported.
    In Bridgeport, Conn., a patrol officer said one of the police
    department's buildings was down for a short time before its
    generator kicked in. However, governor's spokesman John Wiltse said
    state commissioners reported no problems with any of the "public
    service answering points."
    In New Jersey, the police radio room in Paterson lost power
    temporarily, forcing the department to switch to a backup,
    low-intensity frequency to dispatch officers, The Bergen Record
    reported.
    Overall, though, New Jersey State Police Sgt. Kevin Rehmann
    said, the outage appeared to have little impact on emergency
    responses.
    "All State Police stations - and I would suspect it's the case
    for most others - have backup generators to protect their radios
    and other communication systems," Rehmann said. "All in all, I
    think everything worked well ... other than the inconvenience."

    (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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  • CANfireems
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    some of us were much more lucky than others, niagara haldimand norfolk and places along that corridor that were smaller centres either had minor power outages or didn't go out at all, makes me think that the more isolated you are in terms of powere the better off you were that day, i dont expect anything from this goverment to fix this problem aside from some reviews as they call them since they are out of power soon anyway. i think its funny also that the canadian and american gov't's first scapegoats were each other. my god...the biggest outage ever (i think) and they cant just fix the problem? nope, blame the other guy! shouuld leave it up to emergency services and hydro and keep politics out!

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  • mcaldwell
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    I'm guessing you're not a liberal then are you Sheri?

    The response and results don't particularly suprise me, we all know that we underfund our military/emergency response/etc... but at least on the upside, there will finally be some money spent on fixing the system.

    The one thing I don't really care about however, is Cretien's late Televised reaction. There is no point rushing to the TV studio, when no-one has any power to watch the TV anyway. They were all getting their info from radios.

    As for the rest of us in the west. Do we realy care about Ontario anymore? I don't need the Simpsons interupted to tell me that Ontario is still living in the dark.

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