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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    I think you really have to be realistic here. I have three thoughts.

    1. Do you honestly want the federal government involved in direct funding of the fire service? I sure don't. Fire protection is a local proglem and should be locally funded. If there is a financial crisis or a special need, than there is a place for SUPPLEMENTAL funding (ala Fire Act). But the primary responsibility for fire service funding rests with the people who recieve the service.

    2. I honestly believe that there has to be a more realistic way to distribute these homeland defense grants. There is no way that UBL hs Dogpatch, USA circles on his map. Do we really need to buy Dogpatch FD $100,000 in decon equipment? While we all have the potential to have to respond to a terrorist event, the reality is that there are places that are far more likely to be a target than others. Those locations should be taken care of first.

    3. I am not terribly impressed by the people that wrote the report. It is full of guesses and assumptions that almost render it useless. I am always suspicious of these government doom and gloom reports. Also, there is not one single emergency responder on their committee.

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  • Engine101
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    Nice to know we've not learned anything from 9-11, What will it take for the fat cat politicans to listen? Something worse than 9-11?

    Why does it take a major tragedy to tell politicans something that we've known for how many years? Fire Department's are esstential and vital functions to helping inprove "homeland security"

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  • E229Lt
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    An excerpt:

    <<
    According to data provided to the Task Force by emergency responder
    professional associations and leading emergency response officials from around the country, America will fall approximately $98.4 billion short of meeting critical emergency responder needs over the next five years if current funding levels are maintained.

    Currently the federal budget to fund emergency responders is $27 billion for five years beginning in 2004. Because record keeping and categorization of states and local spending varies greatly across states and localities, it is extremely difficult to estimate a single total five-year expenditure by state and local governments. According to budget estimates referenced by Appendix A of this report, state and local spending over the same period could be as low as $26 billion and as high as $76 billion. Therefore, total estimated spending for emergency responders by federal, state, and local governments combined would be between $53 and $103 billion for five years beginning in FY04.

    Because the $98.4 billion unmet needs budget covers areas not adequately addressed at current funding levels, the total necessary overall expenditure for emergency responders would be $151.4 billion over five years if the United States is currently spending $53 billion, and $201.4 billion if the United States is currently spending $103 billion. Estimated combined federal, state, and local expenditures therefore would need to be as much as tripled over the next five years to address this unmet need. Covering this funding shortfall using federal funds alone would require a five-fold increase from the current level of $5.4 billion per year to an annual federal expenditure of $25.1 billion.

    The preliminary figures were based on the critical analysis of needs estimates provided by emergency responder communities and were developed in partnership with the Concord Coalition and the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, two of the nation’s leading budget analysis organizations. While these figures represent the most reliable public numbers to date, the nation urgently needs to develop a better framework and procedures for generating more precise numbers. But the government cannot wait until it has completed this process to increase desperately needed funding to emergency
    responders.>>>


    "If the nation does not take immediate steps to better identify and address the urgent needs of emergency responders, the next terrorist incident could have an even more devastating impact than the September 11 attacks."

    Take a good look at some members who wrote this:

    WARREN B. RUDMAN is Chairman of the Independent Task Force on Emergency Responders. He is currently a partner in the international law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton and Garrison and formerly Chairman of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board under President Clinton. Previously, he represented New Hampshire in the U.S. Senate from 1980 to 1992.

    JAMIE F. METZL is Senior Fellow and Coordinator for Homeland Security
    Programs at the Council on Foreign Relations. He has served on the National Security Council at the White House, in the Department of State, and as Deputy Staff Director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    RICHARD A. CLARKE- served under the last three presidents as a senior White House adviser.

    CHARLES G. BOYD- General Boyd served as Deputy Commander in Chief for the U.S. European Command.

    WILLIAM J. CROWE- served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    JAMES KALLSTROM- served as Director of the Office of Public Security for the State of New York and Director of the NTSB.

    GEORGE P. SHULTZ- served as Secretary of State, Secretary of the
    Treasury, Secretary of Labor, and director of the Office of Management and Budget.

    JOHN W. VESSEY is Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations’ Center for Preventive Action and previously served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as Vice Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    Sorry I didn't get back in here so fast, my roof just caved in when Duff agreed with me.

    One other thought. If the fire service wants to get their fair share of the funding for homeland defense, it would seem to me that it might be prudent to start to cozy up to your Emergency Management people. They are the agencies that most states are using to distribute the funds. You also have to have a plan to utilize the money. Not just "We're going to hire eight FF". these federal grants are huge, but there is a catch. They require a submission of a comprehensive plan to use the $ and they require the agency to buy the equipment, then they reimburse. It's a system of checks and balances. Why? I know of a large urban public safety entity who toolf gobs of fed $ right after 9/11 and used it to ostensible purchase homeland security equip and services. In reality, a lot of bosses got new cars.

    Most of these grants also have a specific purpose attached. We just got a large (about $200 K) grant. But the sole purpose was to provide respiratory protection to law enforcement officers in the form of WMD certified respirators. It could not be used for anything else. No training, no personnel, no vehicles, no facilties; equipment only.

    Before any of you complain, do your homework and become part of a solution instead of bitching about the problem.

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  • Duffman
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    George is right...did I just say that?

    From a prevention standpoint law enforcement does the vast majority of the work. Every day that goes by without an attack is, in a way, a justification for the dollars thrown their way.

    In the eyes of some beaurocrats the only way for the fire service to truly demonstrate the need for more funding is through drills like TOPOFF or a real incident. If the fire service performs well, guess what? No need demonstrated. If the fire service performs poorly do you think a lack of funding will be a good enough excuse?

    We are in a catch 22 folks. We are a victim of years of apathy when it comes to requesting federal funds. Law enforcement has been at the trough for years. We are playing catch up. We have a lot of work to do.
    Last edited by Duffman; 08-02-2003, 09:31 AM.

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  • GeorgeWendtCFI
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    And I ask you, when push comes to shove, who's doing most of the work?!
    I don't know. You tell me. How many of your personnel are devoted full time to homeleand security issues?

    Many law enforcement agencies have full-time people doing some or all of the following activities every day.

    1. Target hardening
    2. Intelligence
    3. Task Force work
    4. COBRA Teams
    5. Security work at high hazard locations

    I am not saying that the fire service doesn't deserve funding (BTW, it's out there. The fire service in my county just got gobs of cash for mobile decon facilties. The problem is the money is being distributed through the States). But the simple fact is the homeland security IS primarily a law enforcement function when you look at the prevention aspect.

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  • ffspo0k
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    Its absolutely disgusting that in the wake of all of this, the fire dept is once again being pushed behind. The "Department of Homeland Security" is an atrocity that is giving cash to every politician with room in their pockets, but is especially geared towards law enforcement. An article in Fire Engineering (I think?) talked about how the fire services voice has not, is not, and will not be heard. Fire Service training facilities, with true proven records, including the National Fire Academy, are having budgets slashed in order to create new training facilities, primarily geared towards law enforcement activities.

    And I ask you, when push comes to shove, who's doing most of the work?!

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  • E229Lt
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    It's an Adobe PDF file.

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  • hwoods
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    No Luck.......

    The Damned Thing Wouldn't Open Up For Me To Read. Thanks For Trying Lt. Stay Safe....

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  • E229Lt
    started a topic WE"RE NOT READY...The PROOF

    WE"RE NOT READY...The PROOF

    Here it is in black and white, click "VIEW REPORT". Read it slow, let it sink in. Go to page 23 and see the people who wrote it.

    http://www.cfr.org/publication.php?id=6085#

    Then ask yourself this:

    Why did the Senate vote down this funding 50-43?

    It's time to make ourselves heard in the voting booth!!!!!!

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