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  • Rescue Engine, they just don't get it!

    In the Central NY area, Engines are called "Engines" and Heavy Rescues are called "Heavy Rescues". Very plain and simple, not rocket science as you can see.

    Now, spec a piece of apparatus with a custom engine body, including a pump, several handlines, a 500 gal tank, and lots of compartments for all of our auto extrication and heavy rescue equipment and what do you have????

    A "Rescue Engine" right, WRONG!

    Here's the story, being a PG County Buff, I've grew fond of Kentland's Rescue Engine 333. The concept makes sense to me. If you have a piece of apparatus that is both an Engine and a Rescue, it doesn't take an rocket scientist to come up with the name 'Rescue Engine'. However, I lost the fight and were going to call our new piece of apparatus 'Rescue Pumper', because "that's what it is!"

    We don't call our Engines "pumpers" now, why start calling them "pumpers" when we combine them with a piece of apparatus that will also act as our heavy rescue? I can't seem to sell the name "Rescue Engine" to a bunch of guys who don't want to try anything new and up to date. To me, 'Rescue Pumper' just sounds old and country townish. "Rescue Engine" sounds more up to date and less hickish.
    Chris Shields
    Lieutenant / EMT
    Haz-Mat Technician
    East Syracuse Fire Dept
    Onondaga County, NY

  • #2
    playing Devil's advocate....

    Would that make a quint a "ladder pumper"?

    My FD just took delivery of an new piece of appartus, built on an E-One typhoon chassis...large compartments, 720 gallons of H2O, 30 gallon foam tank, 1500 GPM pump...the specs called it a "rescue engine" (the rig is first due to mva's on routes 495 and 290).

    It is called Engine 2.
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    • #3
      Over here in the great Land Down Under, an engine is what provides the power for the pumper to move along the road!

      We have Pumpers, Tankers, Rescues, Telly-booms, Combinations, Salvage, etc
      Luke

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lutan1

        We have Pumpers, Tankers, Rescues, Telly-booms, Combinations, Salvage, etc
        telly-booms? isn't that what happens when your TV explodes?
        If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

        FF/EMT/DBP

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        • #5
          Maybe they'd go for "Squad" like NYC or Baltimore.
          FTM-PTB-DTRT

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DrParasite


            telly-booms? isn't that what happens when your TV explodes?
            We actually spell them Telebooms, but for some reason that I can't figure out everyone pronounces them Tallybooms. Essentially they are a telescoping ladder with a bucket on the end - and a non-traditionalist without much of an idea also included a pump in the package
            Busy polishing the stacked tips on the deckgun of I.A.C.O.J. Engine#1

            ...and before you ask - YES I have done a Bloody SEARCH!

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            • #7
              If you say Squad to some it's an ambulance.


              Really I know what you mean, We use to have Pumper-Tankers. Now we have all engines, but some of the old guys still call them PT's.
              AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo

              IAFF Local 3900

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              • #8
                And where I'm from, (with the exception of Baltimore City)a squad is a medium to heavy duty rescue truck.
                Chris Minick, P.E., Firefighter II
                Structures Specialist, MD-TF 1

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                I.A.C.O.J. Building crust and proud of it

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                • #9
                  different places call different things different names. some places in florida call ambulances Rescues, while others call squads utility vehicles. in NYC, Rescues are heavy rescue unit, and squads are engine companies with senior FFs that can do engine company or truck company duties. different names for ladders: ladders, arials, towers, hook and ladder, quint, etc. alt names for ambulances: rig, bus, rescue, etc.

                  some have different meanings, but often it's just the location and personal preference.
                  If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

                  FF/EMT/DBP

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                  • #10
                    Who Cares what each department calls their truck!!!!!! Let's discuss the important things in life i.e. Firefighter safety.......

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                    • #11
                      what really ****es me off is the engines with transport capabilities. They must be the most insane thing ive ever seen, specially since the only one ive seen is alone at their station. picture this, you are dispatched to a car accident or a structure fire with injured patients at scene, but lucky you have to decide whether to stay and wait for other units to respond to handle fire or accident or if you should transport your patient, who is dying to hospital. I dont like them at all!!! dont to mention that the transport compartment in them is sideways, meaning that if your patient has a spinal injury, well there goes the idea of keeping spine in line if the truck hits brakes at all. but oh well, anyway on topic, in my area we have engines, rescues, and tower trucks, thats about it

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                      • #12
                        in my area we have, tankers, pumpers, brush trucks, rescues, ambulances, and the occasional dept has a big f****** truck (which would be like a 100' arial).
                        "Let's Roll." Todd Beamer 9/11 first soldier in the war on terror

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                        • #13
                          I still call our squads the bus or the taxi.
                          AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo

                          IAFF Local 3900

                          IACOJ-The Crusty Glow Worm

                          ENGINE 302 - The Fire Rats

                          F.A.N.T.A.M FOOLS FTM-PTB

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                          • #14
                            ?

                            Who Cares what each department calls their truck!!!!!! Let's discuss the important things in life i.e. Firefighter safety.......
                            Get a grip buddy! Not every thread in these forums is going to be about Firefighter Safety nor should it be. If you don't want to disuss this topic, go elseware.
                            Chris Shields
                            Lieutenant / EMT
                            Haz-Mat Technician
                            East Syracuse Fire Dept
                            Onondaga County, NY

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                            • #15
                              If we were to buy one of these trucks anyways... we would only call it one of the other. Not this mixed up crap.

                              We currently have engines, tankers, rescues, mini-pumpers and knuckle trucks. This is how I refer to them and a bunch of the guys. Down in deep south western new york.

                              I dont know how you people deal with all these weired up names, or numbering systems.

                              But thats a whole nother thing! ... moving on...
                              Firefighter/EMT Mitch Cowen
                              Hose Co. 1 1st Lieutenant
                              Randolph Fire Co. Inc

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