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  • #31
    Feel free to shoot holes in this if you want to-- but I was on your side. I think you are on the defensive a little too much.
    In keeping with the WT's desire to address posts, not people, I will refrain from comment.
    PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by E229Lt
        Congrats Artie, That was your 1000th post!
        Shawn M. Cecula
        Firefighter
        IACOJ Division of Fire and EMS

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        • #34
          What He Said.....

          Yeahhhhh, Artie!!!
          Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
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          Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
          Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

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          I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

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          • #35
            They're at it again!

            July 10th, 2003

            NYPD and FDNY apparently got into another dispute at a water rescue...with a diver from Rescue 4 being struck by a grappling hook...from a NYPD ESU boat. The story getting coverage on the NY local media outlets...hasn't made the AP wires yet....but I would think something will be posted soon.

            The grappling hook reportedly ripped the facemask off the Rescue 4 diver...and he then became entangled in the lines. Of course....a heated discussion ensued.

            More...as details become available.
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            • #36
              The AP Story

              NYC fire commissioner charges police endangered his diver
              By MICHAEL WEISSENSTEIN
              Associated Press Writer
              NEW YORK (AP) - Tensions between elite police and fire units
              aired for the second time in two weeks as fire Commissioner
              Nicholas Scoppetta accused police of endangering a submerged fire
              rescue diver with a recklessly tossed grappling hook.
              The diver was hunting for a lost swimmer in the water below the
              Pulaski Bridge in Queens on Wednesday evening when a police scuba
              unit arrived on the scene, fire officials said.
              Firefighters from Rescue Co. 4 warned police not to toss a
              grappling hook and rope used to guide their own divers because the
              fire diver was in the water, according to a fire captain's written
              account of the incident.
              A police officer told firefighters they should shut up,
              according to the account. He tossed the hook, and the rope attached
              to it dislodged Firefighter William Murphy's facemask, briefly
              cutting his oxygen supply, fire officials said.
              Murphy readjusted his facemask but swallowed a small amount of
              water and became entangled in the rope, according to the account.
              Another firefighter disentangled him when he surfaced, the account
              said.
              Following standard procedure, firefighters handed over control
              of the operation to police divers, who eventually recovered the
              body of 54-year-old Fredrick Darling, of Long Island City, police
              said.
              If firefighters' initial accounts prove accurate, Scoppetta
              said, "This was so dangerous an incident that it could have
              resulted in serious injury to our firefighter.
              "We were there first. We were doing what we were supposed to
              do, and then the subsequent events after the police arrived is what
              gave rise to what we think was a dangerous situation."
              Police officials said they were taken aback by the fire
              department's vehement reaction and Scoppetta's highly unusual
              public criticism of the police.
              Scoppetta and police Commissioner Ray Kelly have described their
              relationship as amicable and productive, often in response to
              criticism that their departments do not sufficiently coordinate
              emergency response tactics, particularly given the threat of a
              major terrorist attack.
              Scoppetta has been a vocal supporter of an incident command
              system that uses written protocols to establish the chain of
              command at incidents ranging from pinned motorists to drownings.
              Kelly has been cool to the idea.
              The fire commissioner made an unusually forceful call Thursday
              for the departments to sign written protocols and said he expects
              them to agree soon.
              Asked about the incident at an unrelated press conference, Kelly
              said firefighters did not complain about police tactics immediately
              after the rescue. The commissioner said he was only informed of the
              incident Thursday morning and instructed the office of his chief of
              patrol to investigate it.
              "It obviously is a very serious charge," Kelly said. "There
              was no indication there was anything out of the ordinary."
              Kelly and Scoppetta downplayed inter-department tensions late
              last month after a member of the police department's elite
              Emergency Service Unit arrested a member of Rescue Co. 4 as tempers
              flared during the extraction of a burglary suspect from a Queens
              restaurant chimney.
              Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the commissioners to City Hall to
              discuss the June 27 spat, and aides described him as "deeply
              concerned" about the Wednesday incident. Kelly should relay the
              results of an internal investigation within several days, the aides
              said.
              Bloomberg spokesman Ed Skyler said both commissioners have been
              told to impress upon members of their departments that such
              behavior is "completely intolerable."

              (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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              • #37
                That was the lead story on NBC news tonight. The FF involved made sure to mention they (FDNY/NYPD) usually get along and work together well, most of the time.
                "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                • #38
                  Battle of the Badges....continued

                  Police and fire departments to adopt new protocol
                  NEW YORK (AP) - The city's police and fire departments
                  reportedly said they plan to establish formal guidelines for how
                  emergency personnel should coordinate their response to disasters.
                  Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and Fire Commissioner Nicholas
                  Scoppetta said they expected to complete and sign an agreement by
                  the end of the summer, The New York Times reported Saturday.
                  The two departments have frequently clashed over how best to
                  respond to emergencies - so much so that their disagreement has
                  come to be known as the "Battle of the Badges."
                  A report by consultant McKinsey & Company commissioned after the
                  Sept. 11, 2001 attack found that a lack of communication between
                  the two departments hindered their response.
                  More recently, police and firefighters argued while trying to
                  remove a suspected burglar from a chimney in Queens and at the
                  scene of a search for a man underwater.
                  The decision to adopt a formal command structure - which
                  officials had long resisted - was in part motivated by the federal
                  Department of Homeland Security's decision not to give money to
                  states and cities that don't have a plan in place, the Times said.
                  Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the new system - known as
                  "unified command" - would mean top police and fire officials
                  would still supervise their own forces during an emergency.
                  But he said senior officers from the fire and police departments
                  would communicate with each other and coordinate their actions
                  through the city's Office of Emergency Management.
                  "We are on board," Kelly told the Times, "and we think that
                  that system is the most appropriate for New York City."
                  Scoppetta said the protocol would serve as a "starting point,"
                  rather than a rigid plan.
                  "How it is executed requires reasonable judgments being made by
                  both departments," he told the Times.

                  (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
                  Proudly serving as the IACOJ Minister of Information & Propoganda!
                  Be Safe! Lookouts-Awareness-Communications-Escape Routes-Safety Zones

                  *Gathering Crust Since 1968*
                  On the web at www.section2wildfire.com

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                  • #39
                    "The decision to adopt a formal command structure - which
                    officials had long resisted - was in part motivated by the federal
                    Department of Homeland Security's decision not to give money to
                    states and cities that don't have a plan in place, the Times said."

                    Me thinks this 'decision' is more about money.
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                    "Chet, get an inch and a half on that!"

                    "Not for fame or reward,Not for place or rank. Not lured by ambition or goaded by necessity. But in simple obedience to duty as they understood it. These men suffered,sacrificed,dared all, and died. Let us never forget our fallen friends."

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                    • #40
                      Me thinks this 'decision' is more about money.
                      Gee, do you really think that could be it?????

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