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  • #16
    I want to thank everybody for reading and replying to my post. The good as well as the bad comments, a lot of your comments were cover in the very last part of the post, were I said to follow set guidelines set forth by FEMA/FBI/Homeland security.

    So what has been sad by some replies, each time someone finds an unattended pocketbook we should start bomb and arson, and evacuating the area? (How often does this happen, Go to any large department store or building and ask if they have a lost and found.) This is part of the problem we are receiving calls for found pocketbooks.

    Again thanks for all the replies, this is how we all learn, and teach others all over the world. Please add any other input you may have.

    Mark

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    • #17
      Originally posted by E229Lt
      The other day a plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge was thwarted, a terrorist was put in custody...or was he...nothing happened, right? Is he a terrorist? Was there a plot?
      Faris, of Columbus, is cooperating in the investigation of
      al-Qaida, federal authorities said Thursday.
      Faris pleaded guilty May 1 to providing material support to
      terrorists and conspiracy to provide support, according to
      documents unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria,
      Va.
      Faris, who is represented by a lawyer and said in the documents
      he was not coerced to plead, could face 20 years in prison and up
      to $500,000 in fines. Sentencing was set for Aug. 1.

      Yeah....I'd say he was a terrorist.
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      • #18
        So what has been sad by some replies, each time someone finds an unattended pocketbook we should start bomb and arson, and evacuating the area? (How often does this happen, Go to any large department store or building and ask if they have a lost and found.) This is part of the problem we are receiving calls for found pocketbooks.
        Of course not. But there is also no reason to call the FD right away either. In a courthouse, for example, during calendar call, lawyers are meeting in every nook and cranny of the place. Briefcases are left unattended all the time. If it is unattended for a short period of time, no big deal. After awhile the Sheriff's Office will start asking around. If no one claims it, we move to the next level.

        Unfortunately, in this day and age, if a clerk in a department store sees a package, or a briefcase, or a pocketbook and feels that it is suspicious, than it should be treated as suspicious. I think you will find that store management will make some effort to find the owner, as an evacuated store equals th loss of revenue.

        Malls are a particularly soft target. Security usually stinks and accessis, by design, unfettered. How many explosive devices placed in malls across this country do you suppose it would take to make people stop going to shopping malls? That would have a significant impact on our economy. So a few nuisance calls to the mall to standby for an unattended package seems to me to be a small price to pay for an increase in public security.
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        • #19
          Yeah....I'd say he was a terrorist.
          Don't get me wrong. Of course he's a terrorist. The problem lies with the public not being able to accept averting a disaster as progress.

          I've asked this question before:

          If the US military, law enforcement, FBI, CIA, et. al. had gotten last minute intel on 9-11-01 of the plot to highjack four planes and fly them into various high profile facilities. If all that info was put together after the planes were in the air, fighters were scrambled, the planes intercepted, attempts to force them to land failed. A agonizing decision was made and the four planes were shot down.

          The death toll would be 266 and the public outcry would remove every single person from office who had a part in the decision.

          The reason? Nobody can ever know the amount of lives saved.

          Same goes for the judicial system. Faris faces a Max. 20 years. What if he succeeded? Death? Is he being treated like a terrorist?

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          • #20
            Lt,you've hit the crux of the counter terrorism problem in this country. We are a free society and we value that very highly. At the same time, our love of individual freedoms makes the gathering of and acting upon intelligence problematic at best.

            You are quite right. If the airliners involved in the 911 attacks had been shot down before they hit their targets, the cries of protest would have brought down the sitting government. Law enforcement has a very hard time being pro-active in America. That is why an individual citizen in this country must be responsible for his own security by whatever means he chooses to use that does not unduly endanger his fellow citizen. In many cases, law enforcement cannot truly protect, they can only react. It's the price we pay for the life we choose for ourselves.
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