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  • #61
    Have I had too many drinks and driven? Damn straight. I'm 46. Used to be almost a badge of honour to get picked up for impaired. Never got caught, never had an accident or caused one.
    So your proud your an idiot?
    Just goes to show anyone can get lucky.
    Was Anndee lucky?
    I grew up.
    Right,so now you just defend people that act as childish as you did.
    if I get stroked for DUI (or being partly pregnant .05-.079) in my own vehicle, on my own time who are you to say that I would have responded to the hall?
    Someone who has read about/seen to many tragic accidents caused by ignorent ideas like you can operate any vehicle while drunk.
    1 drink, I'll respond but not drive apparatus, 2 respond but not leave the hall, 3 drinks and I don't respond. 4 and I shut my pager off.
    So 1 drink I will mildly risk lives,2 drinks now im putting the people who depend on me in danger,it should be 1 drink turn off pager.
    Pulls it over. Tags expired, no registration, driver under the influence.
    Small town or not,spend a night in jail and explain it to the judge.
    I'll quit for now.
    Maybe you should,you aint worth getting kicked of the boards for.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by dfdex1

      So your proud your an idiot?

      Was Anndee lucky?

      Right,so now you just defend people that act as childish as you did.

      Someone who has read about/seen to many tragic accidents caused by ignorent ideas like you can operate any vehicle while drunk.
      So 1 drink I will mildly risk lives,2 drinks now im putting the people who depend on me in danger,it should be 1 drink turn off pager.
      Small town or not,spend a night in jail and explain it to the judge.

      Maybe you should,you aint worth getting kicked of the boards for.
      Jesse,

      Can you PLEASE learn to THINK before you allow your fingers to roam over the keyboard???? It's comments like a few of the ones that you've made that cause threads to be locked. Is there a VALID reason WHY you have called someone an idiot??? Until you can tell me that you have LIVED and have some VALUABLE life experience I would suggest that you CEASE passing judgement on those of us who are older, more experienced, and MORE MATURE than you. You have a whole lot of growing up to do, this is readily apparent by your haste in namecalling.

      DFCSmash made a comment on being "lucky" because he REALIZES since he's GROWN UP (his words) that he WAS lucky to have NEVER been caught, killed himself or someone else. See Jesse, that's what the process of growing and maturing is all about, you LEARN FROM MISTAKES, which is something that you apparently STILL need to learn.

      NOT one person here is defending anyone for drinking and driving WE HAVE ALL stated that NONE of us agree with nor condone it. THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT BEHIND THIS THREAD WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE CHIEF BEING SUSPENDED FROM HIS POSITION OF CHIEF BY THE MAYOR WAS APPROPRIATE AND WARRANTED. LETS KEEP THIS TO THAT THOUGHT. And IF you feel the need to go off on a tangent, do your bloody homework first. Do the reading of the different things I have posted, there is a POLITICAL history in this town, it's got a lot more to do with politics than with anything else.

      We have ALL stated that NO ONE KNOWS whether or not this man would have responded, the only two persons that do are GOD AND HIM. Until I have to call you GOD, you dont' know any more than I do regarding this situation.

      He's making a point with his comments of how many drinks he will have and still respond as opposed to NOT responding. I will respond after having had ONE drink, I'm NOT impaired after one. I won't drive though, there are other guys who can do that. At least this gentleman is honest, and RESPONSIBLE in his thinking. Just because a person may have ONE OR TWO occasionally does NOT mean they are an alcoholic, irresponsible, or will do something stupid, as I've said before let's not LUMP everyone who may enjoy a drink from time to time in the same category.

      You do not have to spend the night in jail for a roadside suspension, CUT AND DRY, that's the way it is. He was NOT impaired, GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD.

      Anyway, DFCSmash, thank you for your post. You made some valid points that MOST adults can relate to. I hope to see more of your posts.
      To the world you might be one person, but to one person you just might be the world.

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      • #63
        I have got to chime on on the side of my island brothers here and reinforce the statement that he was not charged with DUI (Driving Under the Influence).

        24hr or "Roadside" suspensions are handed out like water up here, and the point that has not been noted here is that you don't even have to blow yellow. You can get a roadside suspension just because the officer believes you have had a drink, very little proof required. They are just another tool in the RCMP's arsenal to raise awareness and prevent DUI's.

        As for the political motivation, I find this angle the most interesting. A few months ago, The Premier of BC, Gordon Campbell was arrested in Hawaii for DUI, and he blew .16 (TWICE the legal limit). When he got home, they fussed about it for a week or two, and it went away with out any kind of real political fallout.

        If we are willing to let El Gordo get away with that fine piece of international relations, why the hell are we stringing up a Chief for a non-offence?
        Last edited by mcaldwell; 06-29-2003, 06:16 PM.
        Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!

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        • #64
          And the story behind the story?

          I'm still waiting to hear from Paul Harvey........ Oh, and Mayors can't do ANYTHING to a Fire Chief here, municipalities have nothing to do with (read "no control over") their local Fire/Rescue services. Volunteer Fire Departments are private corporations, and most own the building and apparatus in their communities. Great system, when the big fire happens, 20 miles down the road, and that dept calls for help, no one has the authority to tell you that you can't go. Stay Safe....
          Last edited by hwoods; 06-29-2003, 06:08 PM.
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          • #65
            1 drink, I'll respond but not drive apparatus, 2 respond but not leave the hall, 3 drinks and I don't respond. 4 and I shut my pager off.
            you know, i'll agree with you on 1 drink that you are ok to ride the apparatus. I've said before that ONE DRINK DOES NOT MAKE YOU INTOXICATED!!! but why respond after 2? respond just for the call credit? what if it turns out to be a worker? will you still not get on the truck? or what if a second call comes in? are you going to tell the chief the he can't roll an engine with a full crew because you had 2 beers, yet you responded for the first alarm?
            NO VOLY should ever drink ALCOHOL only the payed FF know when they are off duty. If a payed FF drinks a beer he should only WALK home or take a bus.
            I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. first of all, the word is paid, not payed. second of all, it's just a dumb thing to say. third, have you ever heard of a mandatory staff recall? some of the paid (note the spelling) departments will call in off duty firefighters if they have a major incident in their town to assist with coverage. fourth, alcohol is legal. to both purchase and consume, by anyone over 21. this include vol. firefighters. to say that no volunteers should ever drink alcohol, is one of the most asinine comments i've ever heard. if you want to say they shouldn't drink while on the engines or in the firehouse, fine, that's your point of view. but never at all? that's just stupidity on your part.
            You do not have to spend the night in jail for a roadside suspension, CUT AND DRY, that's the way it is. He was NOT impaired, GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD.
            i can't agree with PFire23 more. in my opinion, if he's not impaired, and nothing I have read says he was, then the suspension is without merit. if he was impaired, and nothing I have read says he was, but doing it on his own time and not representing the department at all (wearing an FD shirt, driving a chief's vehicle, whatever), then that is a legal matter, and I don't see how his role as fire chief should be affected. that's like saying a career fire captain goes out drinking with his buddies (non-FFs), and get involved in a fight. cops are called, both fighters spend the night sleeping it off in the local jail. should be be fired from his job? after all, and indefinite suspension is very similar to termination? or should it be the incident did not reflect poorly on the department, and since there is no sign of him doing this while on duty, then the department should not get involved?

            but back to the topic at hand, it still seems to me that the chief should not have been suspended for what happened
            If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

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            • #66
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              1 drink, I'll respond but not drive apparatus, 2 respond but not leave the hall, 3 drinks and I don't respond. 4 and I shut my pager off.
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              you know, i'll agree with you on 1 drink that you are ok to ride the apparatus. I've said before that ONE DRINK DOES NOT MAKE YOU INTOXICATED!!! but why respond after 2? respond just for the call credit? what if it turns out to be a worker? will you still not get on the truck? or what if a second call comes in? are you going to tell the chief the he can't roll an engine with a full crew because you had 2 beers, yet you responded for the first alarm?
              I am thinking that the frame of mind regarding the not leaving the hall after 2 drinks is that he can stay and monitor the radio, or help put equipment away upon the crews returning, etc. I know with us, we don't always have a radio operator so if someone chose to stay behind there would be a job for them to do. I think I've read his intent correctly here.
              To the world you might be one person, but to one person you just might be the world.

              IACOJ-WOT proud

              GO WHITE SOX!!!!!

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              • #67
                Sorry about the PAID spelling just a little sarcastic humor
                Stay Safe ~ The Dragon Still Bites!

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                • #68
                  Re: Here's a math question.

                  Originally posted by ChiefReason
                  You have ten dollars to spend. At the bar downtown, beer is two dollars a can. How many cans will you get for ten dollars? Answer: five.
                  I wanna live where ever the Chief is!!! Go into a bar here and you're looking at $3-5 a glass!!!

                  --------------------------------

                  Another thing should also be noted. Just because there is alcohol at the hall, doesn't mean that we are all going to sit down there all day and drink, does it? Does it mean everyone is going to drink? No and No.

                  With the way everyone carries on it sounds like entire departments just sit around all day and drink. Is this the case for any fire department??? I certainly hope not.

                  How many of use are likely to have a beer after work with dinner? Or have a couple drinks while watching the game? The list is endless. Speaking from personal experience, I rarely had more than 2-3 drinks A WEEK at the hall, and they were only consumed socially, with other firefighters, who, had I had to many, would not let me respond, whereas if they had to many, I wouldn't let them respond, either.

                  However, lets say I get home from a hard day at work and down a few with dinner, and have a few after, then show up at the hall for a call out. Is anyone going to know if I am alright to respond? As far as any knows I was just at home, like everyone else. That, in my opinion is the problem. A drink or three at home, then responding. No one knows any better. No one knows if you are capable of doing the job. If I had a drink or three at the hall, you can bet that no one is going to let me go.
                  "No one ever called the Fire Department for doing something smart..."

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                  • #69
                    You will know that you've had those drinks and how bad it will be if anything goes wrong on the call. Just say no to responding after drinking. But this thread is not for this arguement.
                    This is of course only my humble opinion, but then again, its likely the only one that matters.

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                    • #70
                      4 times yesterday, I tried to post. Wouldn't recognize my login. So here goes. I DO NOT CONDONE DRINKING AND DRIVING. I do not condone the Chief in question making the decision he made vis-a-vis drinking and driving. I think that personal vendettas have no place in running a municipality. I was a town councillor for 9 years. Never had one. Saw others who did. Not pretty. Mayor is way out of line on this indefinite suspension. He was not drinking on duty. End of discussion.

                      5pts384; I was thinking pretty much the same sarcastic thoughts.

                      DrParasite; As Deputy I get my $120/yr whether I make 1 call or 100. As a small (19 member) dept, a radio man or other light hall duties person is appreciated. If it is a large working fire, and it lasts more than an hour, I'll go help on mop-up. Roll hose etc. I don't have to get there quickly and after an hour or so, any alcohol has been metabolized. (Wouldn't be there if I had more than 2 drinks) Both the Chief and myself have in the past not gone to calls if we've had more than one. We try to lead by example. Usually by good example, but sometimes...

                      dfdex1; you are quite good at quoting out of context. Do you work for the CBC? Or Geraldo? I'll stop here. Again.

                      Pfire23; Thank you for saving me a lot of keyboard work. Your words of defence are appreciated. Most volunteer depts and small towns aren't all that different. If I had posted my own response it may have gotten this subject locked

                      We just got a new $450,000 7200 sq ft Fire hall built here. Moving in this week. Got a replacemnt rescue van in February. And we have a new pumper being speced for delivery in 2005. This idiot isn't doing all that badly.
                      This is of course only my humble opinion, but then again, its likely the only one that matters.

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                      • #71
                        From Firehouse.com 7/2/03

                        After pleading guilty to public intoxication, Dickinson County's top emergency official is fired. Timothy Kinnetz, a volunteer firefighter and emergency management coordinator for the county pleaded guilty the charge after he arrived drunk at a boating accident on West Okoboji Lake earlier this month.
                        Just another in a series of embarassments for the fire service. As the instances increase, you can only expect more negative exposure, in the way of media coverage.

                        And then.....the public, from whom many of you get your funding...will voice their concerns. When it comes time to dig into their pockets...they may just come up empty.

                        Public perception is a powerful tool. You can use it wisely.......OR, in this instance.....and others, dig your own grave.

                        Which will it be?
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