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  • #16
    Sorry Chief

    If you threw out everyone but the smart people, I don't think any of us would be left.

    A large percentage of posters here work for employers that regularly ask them to face the chicken pox, small pox, and now the monkey pox. They're regularly asked to enter buildings that other people are desperately trying to evacuate, and whenever someone spills something that causes three-headed turtles, they get to go mop it up. As a reward most are underpaid and underequipped and the first to suffer cuts if the money runs short.

    These are the smart ones. They've actually figured out you can get paid to do this stuff. The rest of us do it for free.

    Brave? Yes
    Dedicated? Yes
    Smart? Well, you decide. All the folks in Wisconsin did was play with a glorified rat.

    Y'all take care!
    Last edited by EFD840; 06-09-2003, 01:31 PM.


    • #17

      Ok since my last post was RUDELY deleted,I will just get rid of the humor and get to my opinion.

      First off GeorgeWendt and NJ thanks for the info.

      Ok I maybe the only one out of tune with the quior here,but am I the only one getting complacent with all these "epidemics" and high alerts?

      I turn on Fox News and see a "Orange alert"--why "The Goverment has no credible warning or threats but they have decideed to raise the level to "HIGH"". Now at first I used to be on edge and on the lookout,but after it kept going up and down every day like the barometer I have stopped paying attention to it because to me and many other Americans it has no meaning anymore---like a parent warning a child that there going to get spanked but it never happens so the child just doesnt take that parent seriously any more.

      With these "epidemics" I think that we are scareing the bajesus out everyone over something that is relitivly minor. Influenza,Polio,AIDS,HEP-C,Maleryia,Bubonic plauge are epidemics. SARS and Monkey Pox are just bumps in the germ road,all things considerd.
      I mean this Monkey Pox "epidemic" has lasted what less than a week with no deaths with people recovering and we are calling it an "epidemic"? Whats the next thing we are going to read in the head lines? "Little Cindy Who sneezes in school,Californa under quarentine." Our health officals do a great job containing these problems and cureing these people.
      I just belive that we are getting so crazy and so out of control with "warning" people that someday when the scat really hits we wont take it seriously till it is to late and that the word epidemic is loseing its "face value". The episode of South Park with the indian casino and SARS said it best about how we are all getting carried away as country with these "warnings".

      Just my thoughts


      • #18
        There are two things you have to look at with this moonkeypox outbreak.

        1. Monkeypox is extremely rare and is essentially unheard of in the US.

        2. A smallpox outbreak (monkeypox is closely related to smallpox) will begin with one case.

        I would rather receive a rational, measured warning at the beginning of an outbreak, than a panicked warning telling me to run away.

        I think you would agree that the articles and CDC press release on thi issue have been very well done. No panic and good info.


        • #19
          Alert Issued as U.S. Monkeypox Cases Grow to 37

          Monday, June 9, 2003; 5:05 PM
          By Michael Conlon

          CHICAGO (Reuters) - Officials in three states tried on Monday to track down pet prairie dogs believed spreading "monkeypox," a smallpox-like illness not seen before in the Western Hemisphere that may have infected 37 people.

          Only six of the victims were being treated in hospitals, officials said, and they were expected to recover with bed rest. The disease, caused by monkeypox virus, is not believed to spread person-to-person.

          But in light of the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome scare and an approaching summer season when mosquito-borne West Nile virus was likely to again pose a deadly threat, health officials were moving to attack the newly diagnosed problem.

          Stephen Ostroff of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Infection, said there were 33 confirmed or suspected cases of monkeypox under investigation. Locally, officials listed more -- 22 in Wisconsin, 10 in Indiana and five in Illinois.

          "We don't know how many animals or humans have been involved and we don't know the scope of the problem," Ostroff told reporters in Atlanta.


          He said only people with unhealed lesions need to be quarantined and the infection does not appear to be as contagious as smallpox, showing no signs of spreading from person to person.

          "We do not have evidence of person-to-person transmission, although we are looking at that possibility," said Ostroff. He advised people to consult a veterinarian or local health officials if they owned or had been exposed to a sick prairie dog, rabbit or Gambian giant rat.

          It is believed the disease spread from Gambian rats imported from Africa as exotic pets. It spread from there to prairie dogs, members of the squirrel family that live in the dry plains from Texas north to Canada and which have been rescued from exterminators for use as pets.

          Phil Moberly, co-owner of a pet store in the Chicago suburbs where some of the infected prairie dogs were believed to have become infected, said on Monday he had bought the apparently infected rats in question from a breeder in Texas without knowing they were ill.


          Indiana officials say they are trying to track down 31 individuals or businesses believed to have purchased prairie dogs from Moberly's store since April 15. Similar efforts were under way in the other two states.

          In addition some of the animals may have changed hands during a swap meet in Wisconsin, where most of the cases of illness have been reported.

          Mark Wegner, a communicable disease expert with the Wisconsin Division of Public Health, said the disease is most likely being spread when people are scratched or bitten while handling the prairie dogs.

          Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide and children born after 1980 have not been vaccinated against it. Smallpox vaccinations, however, offer protection against monkeypox, meaning that adults who were vaccinated earlier are most likely to have immunity against it.

          Children, however, are at risk. In Africa, the mortality rate for young children can be as high as 10 percent.


          • #20
            Thanks for the updates guys!


            • #21
              Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI

              Alert Issued as U.S. Monkeypox Cases Grow to 37

              Monday, June 9, 2003; 5:05 PM
              By Michael Conlon

              CHICAGO (Reuters) -

              ...the infection does not appear to be as contagious as smallpox, showing no signs of spreading from person to person.

              "We do not have evidence of person-to-person transmission, although we are looking at that possibility,"...
              Good to hear so far but I'll take it with a grain of salt and a gown and mask if it spreads to this area!


              • #22
                I've been Had.

                Well, sort of. My earlier post may have been somewhat fuzzy about sending THEM home. THEM is any animal that is not native to North America. IMHO, There should be an absolute ban on imports of any Animal or Plant life that is a non-native species. Period. Stay Safe....
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                • #23
                  I can hear George's exclamations all the way in Bergen County...when he hears the latest news...

                  TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - New Jersey health officials were awaiting
                  test results Tuesday to determine if a child from the state is
                  infected with monkeypox.
                  The 11-year-old boy came into contact with a pair of prairie
                  dogs while visiting a family friend in a Midwestern state where the
                  infection has spread, state officials said.
                  Results on blood and lesion samples from the boy sent to the
                  Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are expected in several
                  Nationally, health officials were working to contain the spread
                  of the monkeypox virus, which is related to smallpox and apparently
                  has never before been found in the Western Hemisphere. Officials
                  reported five confirmed human cases, four in Wisconsin and one in
                  Illinois. No people have died of the outbreak. Also, 48 possible
                  cases have been reported.
                  The disease in humans is not usually fatal but causes rashes,
                  fevers, chills and sores.
                  The boy, who was only identified as being from the northern part
                  of New Jersey, became ill with a high fever on May 29 while still
                  out of state. A physician gave him antibiotics and his condition
                  The fever returned when the boy was on his way back to New
                  Jersey last week. He also became lethargic, lost his appetite and
                  developed blisters on his head, arms and trunk, according to state
                  Health Commissioner Dr. Clifton Lacy.
                  The child's mother thought the boy might have monkeypox after
                  seeing news reports about the virus. She took him to the doctor who
                  prescribed antiviral medication and ordered the boy to be isolated
                  at home.
                  The boy's mother and two other family members have not developed
                  symptoms but are being monitored. The CDC said the child should be
                  kept isolated in a separate room.
                  The state told the physician to sanitize his waiting area and
                  examination room. The doctor and a nurse who came into contact with
                  the boy will also be monitored for symptoms for three weeks.
                  "While in New Jersey, the child has had limited contact with
                  people outside his family and no other suspected infected
                  individuals have been reported," Lacy said.
                  Monkeypox occurs mostly in rain forests in the central and
                  western parts of Africa. The prairie dogs in the Midwest may have
                  been infected by an African rat from a pet distributor in Chicago,
                  health officials said.
                  "This outbreak illustrates the potential health risks posed by
                  owning and handling exotic animals," said Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, the
                  state epidemiologist.
                  On the Net:
                  New Jersey Department of Health and Senior Services:
                  Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: www.cdc.gov

                  (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

                  Now.....is it wise for the CDC and NJ officials to be keeping the lid on this boy's location...and the doctor's facility involved? Or should we have those facts at our disposal?
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                  • #24
                    Family in Florida being monitored

                    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Florida health officials said Tuesday
                    they are closely watching a Sarasota County family that has
                    experienced rashes and has a pet prairie dog, although so far they
                    haven't established any link to the outbreak of the rare monkeypox
                    disease in the Midwest.
                    Pet prairie dogs are believed to be the common element in the
                    spread of monkeypox in Wisconsin, Indiana and Illinois, with 38
                    cases being monitored. The virus is related to smallpox, but
                    usually isn't fatal in humans.
                    The prairie dog that belongs to the family isn't believed to be
                    linked in any way to the Midwest cases or to the distribution chain
                    that carried those animals from distributor to pet store to buyers,
                    said Dr. Landis Crockett, Florida's director of disease control.
                    Crockett also said the family's prairie dog isn't sick and that
                    none of the members of the family was seriously ill.
                    "No one is terribly sick, but we're looking into it," Crockett
                    said. "There is no direct link to any of the cases that have
                    happened up north."
                    Crockett also said the state Health Department is monitoring a
                    few animals in Florida that may have come into contact with prairie
                    dogs or other animals handled by the Texas distributor that
                    originally sold the ones believed to have caused the Midwestern
                    monkeypox outbreak, or with other distributors or pet stores that
                    handled the suspect animals.
                    But health officials said that so far, no prairie dogs or other
                    animals in Florida are believed to be infected with the disease.
                    Two raccoons owned as pets by people in undisclosed locations in
                    the Panhandle may have come into contact with infected animals
                    before they were bought by their current owners, and health
                    officials are also monitoring them, said Health Department
                    spokesman Rob Hayes.
                    But those animals aren't sick either, Hayes said.

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                    • #25
                      Here is a note for anyone planning on coming out west on vacation.

                      We have literally thousands of prairie dogs here in the wild. The are not infected with the monkey pox.

                      That’s the good news. You will find their villages in parks, roadside “tourist traps” and yes, the open fields.

                      Leave them alone. They can bite, but the bigger problem is that they are infested with fleas that can carry the plague. In addition the prairie dog is a favorite food for the local rattlesnake. I am always amazed at the number of people who despite warning signs, are walking around in the villages, crawling on all fours and peering into holes, and in some cases reaching into the holes.

                      Look at them, take pictures, and enjoy the antics, but don’t touch.

                      Stay Safe


                      • #26
                        I know a lot of places where that last paragraph applies!
                        Chris Minick, P.E., Firefighter II
                        Structures Specialist, MD-TF 1

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                        • #27
                          I can hear George's exclamations all the way in Bergen County...when he hears the latest news...
                          There could be a disease that was only found on freakin' Pluto. Someone from NJ will catch it.


                          • #28
                            George, you have been awfully hard on your Garden State lately.
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                            • #29
                              It is what it is.


                              • #30
                                The Latest- June 11th

                                ATLANTA (AP) - The U.S. government banned the sale of prairie
                                dogs, prohibited the importation of African rodents and recommended
                                smallpox shots Wednesday for people exposed to monkeypox, the
                                exotic African disease that has spread from pet prairie dogs to
                                The smallpox vaccine can prevent monkeypox up to two weeks after
                                exposure to the virus, but is most effective in the first four
                                "We're optimistic we can deliver the vaccine to these people in
                                time to do good," said Dr. David Fleming, deputy director for
                                Public Health and Science at the Centers for Disease Control and
                                The government's aggressive response to the disease came the
                                same day that the federal investigation of the monkeypox outbreak
                                was expanded to eight more states, bringing the total to 15.
                                This is the first outbreak of monkeypox in the Western
                                "We must do everything we can to protect persons who are
                                exposed to monkeypox in the course of investigating or responding
                                to the outbreak," CDC director Dr. Julie Gerberding said.
                                Fleming said he is confident the disease will be controlled.
                                "Monkeypox is a disease that is potentially transmissible from
                                person to person but at a fairly low level," he said. "I don't
                                anticipate the same kind of problem that we anticipate from SARS."
                                The Department of Agriculture will be in charge of enforcing the
                                prairie dog ban, which also prohibits transporting the animals.
                                Gambian rats and five other types of large African rodents were
                                banned because a Gambian rat is believed to have spread the virus
                                to prairie dogs, which are actually rodents and are native to the
                                American Plains.
                                Fleming said the smallpox vaccine is 85 percent effective
                                against monkeypox. The smallpox vaccine is widely available because
                                states stocked up on it out of fear of bioterrorism. More than
                                37,000 health workers in the United States have been vaccinated as
                                a result.
                                "State health departments have been actively involved in
                                planning and preparing for the possibility of a bioterrorist
                                event," Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said.
                                "We are now seeing that this level of preparation can also assist
                                in unexpected, natural outbreaks."
                                The CDC said health care workers, veterinarians and family
                                members who have cared for or had close contact with infected
                                people or animals should get vaccinations. The agency also warned
                                veterinarians and doctors to be on the lookout for the symptoms,
                                especially in owners of prairie dogs or exotic rodents from Africa.
                                CDC officials didn't know how many people would have to be
                                vaccinated, but Fleming said he expected the number to be modest.
                                About 40 out of every million people vaccinated for the first
                                time will face a life-threatening injury, and one or two will die.
                                Still, the CDC is recommending even pregnant women, children and
                                people with eczema - for whom the vaccine is not recommended - who
                                have been exposed to infected prairie dogs get the vaccine.
                                "Because of the real risk here ... we're recommending a
                                somewhat aggressive approach of who should get the vaccine,"
                                Fleming said.
                                Monkeypox-infected prairie dogs distributed from Phil's Pocket
                                Pets of Villa Park, Ill., may have been sold to numerous buyers in
                                15 states since April 15, according to a Department of Agriculture
                                emergency warning issued Wednesday.
                                The states where possibly infected prairie dogs were being
                                sought were Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi,
                                Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, Indiana,
                                Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Texas, Ohio and South Carolina.
                                Later Wednesday, health officials in Mississippi said they had
                                ruled out a possible threat, saying two animals shipped to the
                                state from the Illinois pet shop turned out to be a pair of healthy
                                flying squirrels.
                                As of Wednesday, health officials had confirmed a total of nine
                                human cases of the disease - four in Wisconsin, four in Indiana and
                                one in Illinois. Fifty-four possible cases had been reported - 25
                                in Indiana, 17 in Wisconsin, 11 in Illinois and one in New Jersey,
                                CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said.

                                No one has died of the disease.
                                Monkeypox, which produces pus-filled blisters, fever, rash,
                                chills and aches, is a milder relative of smallpox. It has a
                                mortality rate of 1 percent to 10 percent in Africa, but U.S.
                                officials believe better nutrition and medical treatment here
                                probably will prevent deaths.
                                Investigators are seeking people who have bought or swapped
                                exotic pets distributed since April by Pocket Pets, where a
                                shipment of prairie dogs is believed to have been infected by a
                                Gambian giant rat imported from Africa.
                                Peter Jahrling, scientific adviser at the Army Medical Research
                                Institute for Infectious Diseases, said exotic animals may in the
                                future have to be put in quarantine and examined thoroughly for
                                diseases. That has worked for imports of primates, which spread
                                yellow fever in the 1930s and suffered from Ebola in 1989.
                                On the Net:
                                CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/monkeypox

                                (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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