Las Vegas Casino Fire – “Las Vegas Is Burning”

[mark440]

Originally posted by HFDCLanger
Who would care if it burned, anyway? The purpose of sprinklers is to save lives. That is why NV implemented the codes; that is the subject on which the poster made the above quote. The goal of the codes is to save lives, not stop some old vacant casino from burning. The LVFD wasn’t about to run in there and get themselves killed either. That is what they have deck guns, ladder pipes, big pumps, and large diameter hose. Set up a collapse zone, get comfortable, and flow some big water.

Silly me... I thought sprinklers were there to minimize fire damage in conjunction with protecting lives.
I found humor in the orignal post, in the context it was meant.

*Mark

[HFDCLanger]

Ok, PA, here. Here’s my last scrap of dignity. Enjoy it (Thanks for the quote, Hugh).

I’m going to be completely straightforward here so there is no misunderstanding. Let me know if anything needs to be clarified.


The reason for the post:

Originally posted by SPFDRum:
response to some outrageous posts by former forum member. The intention of the thread wasn't to bash the poster, but the statements they made.

Originally posted by hfd66truck:
he also made some really outrageous statements at times. Had you been here and experienced the "thrill", you too may have sought a time to share a little "tidbit" that went against one of these "statements".

Originally posted by PAVolunteer:
I was proving that it is possible to bust on a former forum member by showing something could happen that this former member said could not happen.

The article referenced:

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/art...2&sectionId=45


The statement originally quoted:

Originally posted by fcvfd:
All commercial buildings over 1 story and all buildings used for public occupancy are sprinkled in Las Vegas. They follow the code.

So tell me, what is so “outrageous” about this statement? Let’s review the scenario:

“All commercial buildings over one story”. Last time I checked, a building that has been vacant for fifty years is not considered commercial.

“All buildings used for public occupancy”. Ok, let’s do the math. Zero + zero = Zero. Zero, although a relatively new concept in relation to other integers, is not high occupancy.

Moreover, it had been over 25 years since the building had met these criteria when the retrofit codes were implemented. And the building was in the process of a retrofit at the time of the fire to meet code before its re-opening.


The goal of the post:

Originally posted by PAVolunteer:
I was proving that it is possible to bust on a former forum member by showing something could happen that this former member said could not happen.

Said what? That some decades-old vacant building couldn’t burn? The poster never said anything like this.

Who would care if it burned, anyway? The purpose of sprinklers is to save lives. That is why NV implemented the codes; that is the subject on which the poster made the above quote. The goal of the codes is to save lives, not stop some old vacant casino from burning. The LVFD wasn’t about to run in there and get themselves killed either. That is what they have deck guns, ladder pipes, big pumps, and large diameter hose. Set up a collapse zone, get comfortable, and flow some big water.

Originally posted by hfd66truck:
I for one appreaciate the information you brought to this issue.

I'm glad.

Originally posted by sconfire:
read into it...

Originally posted by hwoods:
Who???????????

Originally posted by KyleWickman:
rumor has it he has been spotted in the north east. Did someone say his name three times?

Originally posted by firenresq77:
been reincarnated..........

Originally posted by E229Lt:
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed

Originally posted by gfdtrk4:
HE'S BAAAAACK!!!!!

If any of you are trying to say that I have had any correspondence regarding this thread with the individual you reference, you are assuming something that is wrong and completely untrue.

And, no, I am not a reincarnation of anybody from these forums.

In the future, please refrain from making such presumptuous accusations.


PA, what do you have to show for your career? You know about the fire problem, what are you doing about it? How would you like to follow the lead of the individual you reference, and be remembered as one of those who played an instrumental part in implementing a 100% retrofit code in the state of PA, saved countless lives, and brought the state to the top of the statistics list?

[Lewiston2Capt]

Originally posted by E229Lt
See them tumbling down
Pledging their love to the ground
Lonely but free I'll be found
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed
Cares of the past are behind
Nowhere to go but I'll find
Just were the trail will wind
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed
I know when night has gone
That a new world's born at dawn
I'll keep rolling along
Deep in my heart is a song
Here on the range I belong
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed
I know when night has gone
That a new world's born at dawn
I'll keep rolling along
Deep in my heart is a song
Here on the range I belong
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed

LMFAO, I was waiting to see if there would be a reference to the great "conflagration".

To borrow a phrase from Rodney King, "Why cant we all just get along"?

[gfdtrk4]

This MUST be Larry!!

Don't get me started!!!!!

.....Larry.......HE'S BAAAAACK!!!!!

[hwoods]

If It Stinks, Stay Up...........

PA, remember the first rule. If it stinks, stay uphill, upwind, upstream from it. Stay Safe....

[PAVolunteer]

Re: I got it!

Originally posted by EFD840
Hey PA, maybe you're being Punk'D!

I'm beginning to feel that way!

Stay Safe

[E229Lt]

See them tumbling down
Pledging their love to the ground
Lonely but free I'll be found
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed
Cares of the past are behind
Nowhere to go but I'll find
Just were the trail will wind
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed
I know when night has gone
That a new world's born at dawn
I'll keep rolling along
Deep in my heart is a song
Here on the range I belong
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed
I know when night has gone
That a new world's born at dawn
I'll keep rolling along
Deep in my heart is a song
Here on the range I belong
Drifting along with the tumbling tumble weed

[firenresq77]

Or Larry has been reincarnated..........

[EFD840]

I got it!

Hey PA, maybe you're being Punk'D!

[PAVolunteer]

Oops, forgot one ...

Originally posted by HFDCLanger
2. To provide some informative content, particularly for those who were misinformed by the implied meanings of the original thread, whether he admits to there being implied meanings in it not (the entire thread seemed solely of implied meaning to me – you still haven’t explained otherwise). I am happy to discuss this second intention with anybody who is curious or would like to understand the truth.

Anyone who knows how I post on here understands that I do not imply things. If I want to convey a message, I state it plain and simple. I do not imply things, I do not leave room for misunderstanding or interpretation. George Wendt and I got into it a while ago regarding "implied" messages that he thought I was making about law enforcement officers. I made it clear that I have no problem with law enforcement officers and I appreciate the outstanding service that they provide. After much haggling, he understood that I did not, don't, and will not post anything with a hidden meaning. Hopefully, you will come to this realization also.

Since you have read the stars and know this "second intention" of mine, why don't you share "the truth" with all of us? Let's see if you can tell us all what I'm thinking right now.
... how about NOW?
... and NOW?

I'm guessing you won't get many inquiries as to my "second intention" since everyone else knows that there is no "second intention." Again, why is it that you are the only one who can't grasp this concept?

Stay Safe

[PAVolunteer]

To sum up this whole thing ...

I couldn't care less about codes in Las Vegas. If they have them, great. I'm sure they do a tremendous job.

Pennsylvania is way behind the times in its state sponsored support of fire protection, prevention, and the fire service. I have made reference to this on numerous occasions in numerous threads.

The single, solitary, sole, only purpose of the removed thread was to bust on someone who has made more than a few enemies on these forums. That's it.

I have answered all of your questions (most of which were irrelevant because they had nothing to do with the original thread). If you choose to not understand the simplicity of the answers and the original thread, I have no control over that. If you want to get yourself worked up over things that were not said, referenced or implied, I can not control that either. Everyone else seems to get it, why can't you?

Stay Safe

[PAVolunteer]

I see. Nothing to do with codes, nothing to do with Nevada or Vegas. Only against an individual. I must be quite slow here. Could you explain, then, why you posted a link to an article regarding a fire in an un-SPRINKLERED (former) casino in LAS VEGAS and tied it to a quote regarding LAS VEGAS and NEVADA SPRINKLER CODES?

The link was to a photostory so everyone could see the pictures.

What was the point?

To bust on an individual (which is why the thread was deleted and why I was admonished and I promised the Webteam that I would not do it again).

If you wanted to bash a poster, why not just do it outright.

I did.

Don't you think it implied something about sprinklers in the city of Las Vegas? Wasn't the thread titled "Las Vegas is Burning"?

No ... and neither does anyone else.

Wasn't there a quote about sprinkler codes in the city. Didn't you say something to the effect of "How, then, did this happen?"?

Yes, I did say that ... to bust on a former forum member (see above as to the various "whys" of that action).

Please explain (as I asked you before), if this has nothing to do with sprinklers, sprinkler codes, or the City of Las Vegas, why you mentioned them. Humor? You said that already. Can you tell us how it is tied to the humor?

I did not mention them. I merely posted a quote from someone else.

What were you trying to prove by making the post? I'm all ears. Please tell.

I was proving that it is possible to bust on a former forum member by showing something could happen that this former member said could not happen. Good grief ... IT WAS A JOKE.

To call PA’s bluff

What bluff? IT WAS A JOKE.

If there was ANY malicious intent toward LVFD and/or it's sprinkler codes, it was completely unintentional.
The post was a tongue-in-cheek, also known as a farce, or at a stretch, comical, response to some outrageous posts by former forum member.

The intention of the thread wasn't to bash the poster, but the statements they made. I don't know if you where active back when the original postings took place, I was, and I remember it. What it boils down to, is a view of the big picture.

Everyone else can see this, why can't you?
Fire damage and fire deaths are not funny. Busting on someone else is (which I am extremely sorry for and will not do again on these forums).

So what was he bashing?

Am I on candid camera?

Stay Safe

[KyleWickman]

rumor has it he has been spotted in the north east. Did someone say his name three times?

[hfd66truck]

1) HFDCLanger.....For two days you have had your answer, and for 2 days you have ignored it.

2) "Back in the day" the was an ISO God that posted here. Aside from continuely ripping the crap outta people for no apparent reason, he also made some really outrageous statements at times.

3) Had you been here and experienced the "thrill", you too may have sought a time to share a little "tidbit" that went against one of these "statements".

4) Since you won't accept this as the reason for that thread, I am wasting my breath.

5) I for one appreaciate the information you brought to this issue. Have nothing against automatic sprinklers, and look forward to the day when they are required in residences. But none of that has anything to do with the original thread...other than the word sprinkler is used in both.

Are you making your decisions based on the statements of those only desiring some groundless humor?

The only decision I make based on humor is whether or not to laugh.

Peace, Out.....

[HFDCLanger]

So, let’s see: Not bashing NV or Las Vegas codes, not bashing sprinklers, not bashing the poster, and he couldn’t have been bashing the statements made by the poster, unless of course, he was saying that they weren’t true, which is bashing the sprinkler codes, since they do, in fact exist. So what was he bashing?

The fact of the matter is that Las Vegas experienced 92 fire deaths and countless hundreds of injuries between the MGM and the Hilton fires in 1980 and 1981, respectively. Rather than sitting back and hoping it wouldn’t happen again, as happens in almost every other case, the fire officials decided to do something about it. They understood that sprinklers were the most effective and guaranteed method to save lives, and in a very short time, an unprecedented sprinkler retrofit code was put into place.

The casino was closed after only six months of operation 25 years before all of this. It has been vacant and not used as high occupancy building since. It was in the process of being sprinklered during its recent renovation AS REQUIRED BY RETROFIT CODE.

What is so funny about this? Every firefighter should fully support and advocate sprinkler retrofit codes, now more than ever. Wasn’t it only months ago that 100 people died in an un-sprinklered nightclub in RI? Why hadn’t they adopted the same kind of code Nevada put into effect over 20 years ago. Any firefighter posting information that could even be interpreted as a bashing of sprinklers is doing so in some name other than that of public safety.

PA, are you envious of these codes? You are posting from a state that has no code anyhwere close to the ones you mention, and has some of the worst civilian and firefighter death rates, injury rates and property loss rates in the nation, especially compared to Nevada.

The only way to achieve favorable statistics is to implement the proper codes and enforce them. The individual you “make humor of” was at the forefront of this, working to implement the Nevada codes that give the state such good statistics.

I started this thread for two reasons:

1. To call PA’s bluff, which I have already accomplished in my posts. I refuse to discuss this any further. Whether you want to admit to it or not doesn’t matter to me.

2. To provide some informative content, particularly for those who were misinformed by the implied meanings of the original thread, whether he admits to there being implied meanings in it not (the entire thread seemed solely of implied meaning to me – you still haven’t explained otherwise). I am happy to discuss this second intention with anybody who is curious or would like to understand the truth.


Firefighters, do you really understand our nation’s fire problem? What are you doing to help it? Are you making your decisions based on the statements of those only desiring some groundless humor? Or are you diligently researching what has worked for forward-thinking fire departments and fire officials, and implementing no-nonsense fire codes that have been proven to save countless lives?

The choice is yours.