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  • Brian Dunlap
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    And oh by the way I almost forgot...The media does need to back off and let the FDNY Folks take some time to get themselves back to some sense of a normal routine ~ These Men and Women lost alot and deserve the time alone they get.

    TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE F.D.N.Y.

    GOD BLESS YOU ALL

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  • Brian Dunlap
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    I back SouthBronx on both of his statements. I will say this...EVERY MEMBER of the FDNY is a hero in my mind...You guys and Girls did one hell of a job that day, A day none of us will ever forget. I'll leave it at that !

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  • Michelle Latham
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    We should pray for FDNY and tell the media to back off and leave FDNY alone for crying out loud. Those poor guys. If there are any problems within the fire department the officers will take care of it - FDNY doesn't need all this stuff blasted on the front pages like it's gospel truth. The media should be ashamed of itself.

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  • DFD FF
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    For those who haven't seen the photo referenced in this thread, here is a link to it in Time magazine.

    http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/kehoe/1.html

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  • larry cook
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    I wonder as the firefighters may their way back down the stairs, how many people they helped along the way. I would bet that they comforted a lot of folks and proberly get many from being scared and being crushed in the onslot of people rushing to escape. If they kept one person from being trampled to death, they did their jobs. My hats off to them.
    Larry

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  • DD
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    A lot of families seem to argue at the dinner table. It is just their way of discussing issues. It happens at many jobs also, not just in the fire house. You guys in the FDNY give FF Kehoe a hug and tell him that its from hundreds of thousands of us who can't be there to do it ourselves.

    [ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: DD ]

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  • LadyCapn
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    Thanks again Southbronx for clarifying the story, and thank you as well to the web team for removing the offending article from the website.

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  • Trkco1
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    Here, Here South Bronx....some people just don't understand kitchen table banter.

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  • southbronx
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    Sorry to add another reply but I forgot one item I wanted to address in my previous, long-winded message.

    A few of you have mentioned that the brother in question "ran for his life" or "listened to the voice in his head" or "GTFOT" or "followed the first rule: safety". I can assure you, that is not the issue here. Kehoes mention of "running" is probably nothing more than his guilty feelings and frustration coming out. How many times have you claimed to have not done enough at a job, when things don't turn out the way you want them to? Certainly each member in this job has their own guilty feelings from that day... some worse than others.

    This man was a part of a company and his actions that day were dictated by the officer in charge. They entered and left the building either by the orders of that officer or the orders of a chief officer. To characterize Kehoe as "running" is not fair and certainly not accurate. By all accounts, the members that did evacuate did so in a manner that assisted additional civilians in escaping safely, not in a mad dash for their lives.

    As for the other members from his house that died, they were members of the other company and were surely together at another location in the towers. Their deaths are certainly not the responsibility of Fr. Kehoe or any of his brothers at 28 Engine.

    As I stated previously, the nature of this incident is almost certainly the result of the subsequent press AND the way it was handled by those involved. I would be shocked to hear of a member blaming another member for being alive... especially in the situation it appears Fr. Kehoe was in.

    Brothers have had "discussions" with one another regarding the media and the way that individual members choose to embrace or disregard its attention. Conflicts like this almost certainly arise from raw emotion and the strain of the incredible stress that they are facing daily... FOR OVER THREE MONTHS.

    The mention of the LT pulling members aside is meaningless. That could be simply a "lay off of him" suggestion. Lord knows I have received several of those for ball-breaking over the years.

    I have mixed emotions about this discussion for several reasons. Normally, we would not say some of the things I have said here, regarding the WTC itself and the firehouse in the days afterwards. I certainly was not with 28 & 11 that day, nor have I lived there in the days that followed. I am simply trying to defend my brothers against a misguided and surely inaccurate representation in the media.

    I mean no offense to my brothers there, nor to any of you here. I only want the ACCURATE story to come out. I base my opinions and statements on my knowledge of this job that, outside of my children, has been my entire adult life. This is the greatest department in the world and the brothers here deserve better than this article is giving them. I know that the brothers at 28 & 11 would do the same for me.

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  • LadyCapn
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    Thank you for your response SouthBronx. As I originally stated, I reserve judgement until I hear the facts, I was afraid that he was being shunned for something similar to an earlier post.

    You had posted not to long ago about resenting those who took advantage of being at Ground Zero, and the newspaper articles showing their pictures and spouting their stories. I was afraid that was the reason that Mr. Kehoe was having difficulty with his co-workers. If that was the case, then I would have to strongly disagree with that perception. I still vividly remember seeing that picture numerous times, and each time I was struck with the irony of thousands of people rushing down the stairs while a lone firefighter trudges up. To me, that picture held almost as much reverence as the Flag raising. Not for the individual, but the Job itself, and was the epitomy of the sacrifices we make for those we serve. Are the 3 gentlemen who raised the flag resented? I would hope not, and for the same reason. I remember reading a report of a firefighter who survived when his company perished because he had "fallen behind" and was therefore a few flights closer to the ground and able to escape when the time came. I pray that he has the support and counsel of his brothers.

    There must be some truth to the story, as his Lt. confirms the necessity of speaking to some of his co-workers. I truly hope it is an exaggeration on the part of the reporter.

    I applaud your committment to seeing that FF Kehoe receives the support he will need in the coming months/years, and hope every other Firefighter involved can work through whatever is necessary to survive this trauma. As rescue10Lt pointed out, too often more names are added to the final role call after the tragic event because of guilt, media attention etc.

    Terrorism has claimed enough victims. Please don't let anger, resentment, and misunderstanding claim any more.
    FDNY still has my full support and prayers.

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  • KEVIN37TRUCK
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    I Second SouthBronx . Enough Said....

    HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL

    STAY LOW - STAY SAFE

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  • southbronx
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    Settle down...settle down...settle down.

    Too little information, too much speculation.

    As the man from 40 & 35 pointed out, the full range of emotions is present in every firehouse on any given day. Any attempt to speculate on the happenings at 28 & 11 borders on disrespectful.

    Any and all business related to that house and their troubles is THEIR business. None of us has the right to pass judgement or take sides. When you work a tour there or otherwise live their lives, then the truth will become apparent.

    Just remember that although things may be relatively back to normal in your neighborhood, the brothers downtown are still living the nightmare. The number of members that are still unrecovered is staggering. The glare of the media is ever-present. All the while, the men are just trying to get their lives back and take care of business for the missing and lost at the same time.

    Working in another borough leaves me slightly insulated from the daily grind, but we have spent a significant amount of time covering tours in downtown houses, so that these brothers can organize and attend funerals, memorials and Christmas parties for the families. All I can tell you is that none of us has the right to speculate as to what they are feeling or to question their actions in any situation.

    I look at their faces and watch their actions and I feel a guilt that sticks around for days. Even though we are all in the same job, I can't help feeling that these brothers are carrying all of us on their shoulders. I owe them my unquestioned loyalty for what they have done for my job and myself. You owe them no less.

    I can tell you this, because I know this job. That brother will not be left alone. I refuse to accept the opinion of a writer that has never crawled down the hallway. If the brothers in that house have a problem with him it will NEVER interfere with his ability to get help when he needs it. I can almost guarantee that the situation has been grossly embelished from a small "kitchen nugget" that this hack got his hands on.

    Printing this story at this time does nothing but make the situation worse. If he really gave a sh*t he would have kept his mouth shut. Being allowed into a house and then airing the dirty laundry you stumble upon is the worst form of betrayal. We have a saying in this job:

    what you do here
    what you see here
    what you hear here
    when you leave here
    let it stay here

    Much like the "brawl" at the WTC between the cops and the brothers, the media is taking a small morsel and running with it. When that thing happened, people on this board were "outraged" and "embarrassed" at our actions when they truthfully had no idea what took place that day or under what conditions it did happen.

    Don't let that happen again here and now. The only people you hurt in the process are the brothers you all have supported so strongly.

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  • LFDSquadBoy144
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    For all of the firefighters that are shunning Mike Kehoe...Where were they when the towers were hit? They were not there obviously, nor were they there when the towers fell. and if they were, why did they survive? Whomevers decision it was to get out, it was made and that is the past, and there is nothing that anyone can do to change that. As far as shunning another brother for doing his number one instinct (Safety First) Why? What did they do that he did not, I know that I was not there 9-11, but I would say there is something more to the story than we are being told, but reguardless, your brothers and sisters are the number one resource/life line when it hits the fan, not to mention your family...I just do not agree with the story, nor do I agree with what is happening with FF Kehoe. I do wish him, FDNY, and the rest of you the best. Stay safe and Stay low!

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  • captstanm1
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    LADYCAPN

    Captains must think alike. I also read the story and said...Has to be more to this. I also have no exact realization of what our brothers and sisters in FDNY are experiencing.

    However,,,,Firefighter Kehoe was photographed by chance and it is not his fault. We need to stick by him and help him through not shun him and suicide watch and CISD counseling are well within necessary list of thing to do.

    WE are all a team...lets stick together now as the real impact of this tragedy begins to hammer itself home...

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  • fdanko
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    i think this guy is getting a bum deal when i look at this picture he is in the building when he is supposed to be i'm glad he got out alive as should all of his brother firefighters he was just on duty doing his job he didn't asked for this picture to be shown all over the world and so what if he is some hero to some kid whats wrong with that as far as his fellow workers shuning him i say get a grip hasn,t enough happen to the new your fire dept and this country i don't blame him for having enough sense when he felt it was time to get out i would have done the same thing and so would have all the rest of the men had they the chance so lets give the guy a break you are a hero mike at least you went in to help unlike others who were going the other way it's not your fault i think he used good judgement he's alive to tell about it isn't he look firefighters are human too they are not god they do there best but hey if things get to bad in a situation he did what every man would have done try and save lives and also yourself .let me ask this so if he would have been killed that day now would he be a hero to his fellow firefighters

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